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    Quote Originally Posted by TS50 View Post
    but would they have stood out 2 years, in the NRL the Crunalla players never had to sit out very long at all. It was all done with very little fuss compared to this
    and maybe even Hird might still be coaching
    Cronulla's situation was cut and dry, they had proof.

    To this day there still is no proof in the Essendon case.
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    The problem is the AFL jumped the gun way too quickly grandstanding with the AFP in that media conference.

    From that day forward the longer it went on the more ASADA had to get a win...

    From McDevitt's personal attack it's clear there was enormous pressure on him and he needed a scalp to justify not only his job but ASADA.

    Had the AFL done some investigating secretly and got their facts right before the public grandstanding with the AFP they may have got Hird and Essendon to put their hands up on the governance issues (which i agree they were guilty of) and everyone moved on without a fuss.
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    Norm, the cronulla guys admitted guilt hence why it was so cut and dry - admitting is the key here, essendon players and all involved did wrong I expect but they have shut up.
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    all makes sense now

    http://www.theshovel.com.au/2016/01/...h-at-essendon/


    James Hird Denies Ever Being Coach At Essendon
    By The Shovel on January 15, 2016



    james hird never coached essendon

    Unhindered by contractual obligations or court proceedings, James Hird speaks exclusively to The Shovel about what really happened during Essendon’s disastrous 2012 season.

    “Of all of the questions asked by fans in response to Tuesday’s shocking and unfair decision by the Court of Arbitration for Sport, one stands out: Were you actually coach of Essendon during the 2012 and 2013 seasons?

    Today is my first chance to publicly answer this question, unconstrained by the contractual obligations a coach must observe and free of pressure applied by the AFL. I can finally offer a more detailed explanation to 34 young men and their families. Players who absolutely do not deserve this fate.

    To put it simply, when I was offered the job of Head Coach at Essendon in September 2010, I didn’t take the job. At least not in any real sense. Sure, I was around the club a bit. I headed press conferences after most/all games. And I took full credit for wins, when we had them. But it’s a leap to say I was in any way in charge of the playing group.

    Yes, I taught them about sacrifice, about love for the club, about hard work and trust. I told them about the importance of dying for the club. Really, actually dying if necessary. I taught them about hair colouring techniques.

    I also demanded respect – total fucking unquestioning loyalty. And in return I promised to get to know each and every one of the players personally, to find out what made them tick, what they wanted to achieve, what motivated them to be great players.

    So as you can see, I was pretty hands-off.

    In 2012 I hired Dean Robinson, and in turn Stephen Dank. I don’t intend to go through every detail of every interaction I had with them, lest I inadvertently give away useful information that sheds light on what actually took place that year.

    But what I can say is that it was the club’s Sliding Doors moment. I’m not sure if you’ve seen Sliding Doors? Basically it’s about how Gwyneth Paltrow misses a train, setting off two parallel realities, one where she catches her husband having an affair, the other where she doesn’t. In our case we set up a program to inject 34 players with human growth hormone. The similarities are undeniable.

    (How different Essendon’s 2013-15 seasons would have been had that selfish arsehole on the train held the door open for a few more seconds when I was trying to get back to Toorak one night after work. We can only dream).

    So as it’s pretty plain to see, I wasn’t really coaching at Essendon in 2012. I ran the odd handball drill, offered a tip here and there about tanning. But that was it. Dean Robinson was in charge of our football club. And as a guy with an impeccable background as a rodeo performer, that made sense.

    I circulated the Essendon organisational structure today just to clear up any misunderstandings about reporting lines. But really, there shouldn’t be any surprises. As Head Coach I reported to Thomas Bellchambers.

    So, in summary, who was really responsible for the injection program that led to 34 players getting suspended for a season? Quite simply, everyone else. The staff, the media, the AFL, and to some extent – let’s be totally honest here – you.

    But was I in any way responsible, even in some small way? To come to that conclusion, you’d have to believe that I had some kind of senior role, or at least some level of influence at the Essendon Football Club. And that is the stuff of conspiracy theories”.
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    No wonder this game is in its own bubble lol.......
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    cant read the story unless you subscribe, so..............
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    here's some of his dribble......its been blocked and knocked for decades but as migration keeps growing, in time things will change.
    It may not be No1 at a later satge but it will get stronger and stronger.

    Mick Malthouse suggests fixes for Aussie Rules as heís concerned for state of AFL football
    Mick Malthouse, Herald Sun
    September 3, 2016 5:00pm
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    I HAVE have been shocked by some disturbing numbers that I came across recently.

    In at least three elite Victorian colleges, more students are playing soccer than Aussie Rules football.

    If thatís not alarming for the AFL, then I donít know what is.

    I was eight when I played my first game of footy in Ballarat. We didnít have enough money at home for a leather football or real boots, but those things meant little to me in the grand scheme of things because I was still able to play the game.

    That was the start of my journey, the day my passion for football was eternally ignited.

    But here we are decades later and, suddenly, soccer is a genuine threat to football.

    Soccer is an international sport with some very promotable role models in Australia ó think Tim Cahill.

    Victoriaís population is increasing by 100,000 people a year and many of them are either from overseas or have a strong connection to a country where soccer is the main sport. The Socceroos can play in the World Cup and at the Olympics, and Australians litter the English Premier League and Champions League.

    Already Cricket Australia has addressed the concern of dwindling junior participation rates by introducing the Big Bash ó Twenty20 state cricket aimed at families ó and this year is rolling out more resources than ever in schools to encourage kids to pick up the bat and ball.

    I strongly believe the AFL needs to do the same thing. The problem might only be minor now, but if nothing is done to address the current state of football very soon, then a small problem may very well become a major issue. I would hate to see that happen to our great game.
    Mick Malthouse says the standard of footy has ďplateauedĒ. Picture: Colleen Petch

    DOLLARS & ZONES

    FOR too long the AFL has taken for granted that there will be a constant supply of footballers coming up through the ranks to become available for draft selection. This is no longer a given.

    All you have to do is look at the current standard of our game. In my eyes it has plateaued in recent years. The difference between the top teams and the bottom teams is evident in the percentage held by the teams playing finals this season. Big percentages mean a lot of thrashings. A lot of thrashings mean that footy talent is being spread too thin.

    Next season the AFL will begin the first of a six-year broadcast rights deal that was negotiated for more than $2.5 billion. Thatís $418 million a year. Iím not privy to knowing where every cent of that money goes, but I do wonder whether enough of it is going into grassroots footy.

    We need to be making every effort, including AFL dollars, to encourage and maintain greater participation at the junior and middle levels. We need to make the game as accessible as possible for all families. And we need to regain community support for a sport that once held the heart of a city.

    Perhaps the states can be zoned again, with each AFL club investing time and resources towards nurturing football growth in their area. The pay-off for the clubs ó the choice of drafting one player from that zone each year.

    Cricket Australiaís foresight should also give the AFL a push to get more involved in schools, primary and senior, to entice as many kids as possible to join Auskick and their local footy clubs.

    Soccer is a danger; donít let it become a monster.
    The Rory Sloane-Brad Ebert incident was among a number of recent contentious MRP decisions.

    MRP DISGRACE

    THE inconsistency of the AFLís Match Review Panel this year has been a disgrace and it is a source of public frustration and disappointment.

    That Rory Sloane could receive a two-game ban for an awkward attempt to spoil Brad Ebertís mark, when Josh Gibson was cleared for a roundhouse to Levi Greenwoodís head is beyond me.

    Iím only isolating these incidents because they occurred recently, but to me they show the gross inadequacy of the decisions made by the MRP.

    Similar in action and intent, the only difference was a bit of blood and yet Gibsonís was considered a genuine attempt to spoil, while Sloaneís was deemed careless. His two-game ban was reduced to one after the Crows accepted the early plea on the eve of the finals.

    So was Sloane suspended due to the result of the contest ó a scratch ó or for the action itself? Ebert returned to field and completed the game unaffected by the contact.

    Players are becoming increasingly agitated by the lack of consistency and common sense shown by the MRP, so too are the coaches and clubs. The supporters are infuriated and confused.

    I have said time and time again, where precedence is an accepted argument in legal terms, it should also be used in the AFLís tribunal system. Set precedence for reportable offences and sanctions and get rid of the grey area by adhering to it every time.
    Mick Malthouse says games go too long. Picture Jay Town.

    GAMES GO TOO LONG

    A FOOTY match runs for 112 minutes without time on. With time on, it can easily blow out to more than 150 minutes. With busy lives for many people, especially families with young children, this is too long.

    Soccer and rugby league crowds enjoy watching a match and leaving the ground within two hours. They can stroll the city for a bite or further entertainment before or after the game.

    The extra half an hour or more of an Aussie Rules match can mean the difference between attending a game or missing out all together.

    The broadcast rights deal dictates that the clock stops for a 30 second commercial after every goal. OK, fair enough. Does it really need to stop for every point scored and each boundary throw in?

    I assume the AFL owns enough footballs that there can be plenty of pumped up spares on the sidelines to bring straight back into the contest without having to search for the game ball, allowing the clock to tick on.

    And hereís a radical suggestion: why not reduce the quarters to 15 minutes, plus normal time on. Five minutes less a term will do wonders for the quality of a game, restricting those last quarter blowouts that generally occur when players run out of steam.

    A shorter game will mean less wear and tear on the players and umpires bodies, too, prolonging the twilight of their careers.
    Mick Malthouse is calling for earlier, more fan-friendly start times. Picture Jay Town.

    EARLIER STARTS

    There are nine games of footy contested each weekend in the home-and-away season. Not every game is going to be a television blockbuster, I get that, but the AFL cannot pander to the TV networks when it comes to game times at the detriment of supporters seeing their teams play.

    Crowd attendances have been on the decline ó in fact, almost 5 per cent on average fewer supporters went to games this season.

    Beside the cost involved (and in todayís economy that is a big issue in itself) the fixture seems to be putting fans off.

    The twilight and late afternoon games are a blight on the fixture, especially on a Sunday when it means leaving the stadium after 6 or 7 oíclock at night to get home.

    Itís not realistic for families, who should be the first ones through the gates each week. Neither are games that start at 7.50pm and donít end until close to 11.

    Iíd like to see midday games on each weekend day, which means the next match could also be brought forward. And try a 7pm start on a Friday night and 6.30pm Saturday night games.
    An AFL womenís league will start from 2017. Picture: Wayne Ludbey

    WOMENíS LEAGUE

    I APPLAUD the AFLís initiative to start the womenís competition. It will certainly encourage girls to continue playing the game instead of giving it up in their teens for lack of opportunity.

    Considering the money the AFL is investing in this competition, I wonder whether it will translate to game growth when player numbers will be limited to only eight teams of 25 contesting seven games, plus finals, a season.

    What the players are being paid will barely cover their health insurance, which hardly seems fair. Especially when there is such a big push from the AFL to promote it.

    There is already direct competition to this league with womenís soccer, and now rugby sevens after Australiaís gold medal performance at the Olympics.

    This is an attractive game that requires fewer players, and women from varying sporting backgrounds. It can be played on a soccer or rugby pitch and itís a short game, 16 minutes. No wonder it is stealing the sporting spotlight.

    The NWL has every right to the AFL coffers and I honestly hope it succeeds, but pooling so many resources into one area is detrimental to the overall state of football.

    Now is the time to invest money and manpower and effort into building on the history of Aussie Rules to make sure there is a future for it as well.
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    AFL is dead to me.

    Cant wait for the NRL grand final. Now that was a game last year.
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    ah ok Ian re afl.
    I never watch it tbh so no care - that article I posted above came from a football forum I frequent being they have a afl section and thought it was funny what occurs by the melb afl bogans.
    Re nrl, now that was a top GF last year - hard to replicate those but we shall see.
    Another into afl, Storm Minor Prems and likely gran finalist's.
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