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    Quote Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
    Sorry, just saw this,


    I find it amazing that misconceptions of actual development costs and production volume seem to be missed
    on our press, our market is one of several RHD markets that when grouped together, justifies the effort.

    The premium price paid for factory RHD Mustangs is well worth it to Ford when all the builds are batched
    for Euro based or aligned markets. The cost of development is not that bad when most of the engneering
    is done as part of the original project. Sure there are some RHD differences but most of those are done
    in virtual reality and crash tested over and over long beofer actual cars are built.


    It was really a toe in the water stuff fo Ford because they had been fed a regular diet of Falcon sorrow
    that they couldn't gauge real buyer interest, and now they act so shocked...please they knew it would sell.
    If you're serious about being a global player with a truly global footprint you don't penalize different markets dis-proportionally.

    You look at your developments costs as a collective total and amortize that across every unit you produce.

    Otherwise you're constantly tying one hand behind your back in smaller markets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    If you're serious about being a global player with a truly global footprint you don't penalize different markets dis-proportionally.

    You look at your developments costs as a collective total and amortize that across every unit you produce.

    Otherwise you're constantly tying one hand behind your back in smaller markets.
    I'm still shocked that Ford cannot see market potential for a TTV6 AWD Fusion/Mondeo.....

    They are happy to knock out 250-300/mth of uninspiring, anonymous Mondeo sales and not
    consider a vehicle that may turn it into something with a cult following...maybe, the new XR6T?
    Sure, the power isn't there with the 2.7 but the Lincoln 3.0 TTV6 with 300 Kw is getting up there..

    If Australia and UK can show positive interest in performance models then, that moves the needle towards
    taking more chances with performance variants that stand a good prospects of premium sales......

    Colour me overly optimistic but it's up to Ford to take a chance and offer buyers something interesting,
    if you're perpetually afraid of failure then, that stops them seeking out those valuable niches and making
    the impossible possible.....Mustang was the template, now do the same with a FWD/AWD TTV6 sedan.

    I'll stop now.....
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    You means make a car for a market that was so good that they stopped building them?

    While it may sell a few look at the absolute vitriol on the falcon/commodore social media against anything that is not RWD/V8/4 door.

    Do you really need to be reminded of any of the anti turbo 6 rhetoric that has been spewing for the last 15 years?

    How about the apoplectic fits over FRONT WHEEL DRIVE which is what the Fusion Sport is for the majority of its operation with the AWD only being enabled when the vehicle's computer decides it is needed?

    I am quite sure the product people at Ford read a lot of the bullshit posted on social media sites and based on what I have read over the last few years I certainly would not gamble on a bespoke RHD Fusion Sport.

    I suspect we only got the Mustang because of the impending termination of the Falcon and Commodore.
    Here is a question. Should there be a TT ecoboost V6 Mustang that is quicker, cheaper and handles better than the V8?
    The reaction to this question is, I believe, the answer to yours.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappist View Post
    . Should there be a TT ecoboost V6 Mustang that is quicker, cheaper and handles better than the V8?
    Yep but wasn't this question answered in the Ford GT. Well its not cheap and you had to be acceptable as a owner. If you ignore that part the highest ranking Ford product is a TT V6 in the highest ranking brand or name. Ford GT.


    All that aside Kia has reported that most interest in stinger isn't coming form Ford or Holden but form European. It appears we are special kind of bogan. Splash of snobbery mixed in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSE2 View Post
    Yep but wasn't this question answered in the Ford GT. Well its not cheap and you had to be acceptable as a owner. If you ignore that part the highest ranking Ford product is a TT V6 in the highest ranking brand or name. Ford GT.


    All that aside Kia has reported that most interest in stinger isn't coming form Ford or Holden but form European. It appears we are special kind of bogan. Splash of snobbery mixed in.
    Well Ford GT is not available here so really it is not that relevant. Also "real" GTs are just fast, the number of cylinders is secondary. Look at all the Porsches etc.

    I remember HSV wanking on how their competition was euros. I did not believe them either.....
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    Whats the sales split here For Mustang by power plant again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappist View Post
    Well Ford GT is not available here so really it is not that relevant. Also "real" GTs are just fast, the number of cylinders is secondary. Look at all the Porsches etc.

    I remember HSV wanking on how their competition was euros. I did not believe them either.....
    What do you mean it’s not available here. Australia has two.
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    Hopefully they use this as an opportunity to improve the interior. Don't get me wrong, its good, but it has a lot of room for improvement.

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    Sorry, just saw this,

    Despite the Mustang’s popularity here, it only represents about 5 per cent of global production — but it costs just as much to engineer a right-hand-drive version as it does a left-hand-drive.
    I find it amazing that misconceptions of actual development costs and production volume seem to be missed
    on our press, our market is one of several RHD markets that when grouped together, justifies the effort.
    Factually incorrect.

    To engineer a whole car is a massive exercise. where everything from how the boot lid locks to wheel design to engine layout. To make a RHD version of that same car doesnt require a clean sheet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    Factually incorrect.

    To engineer a whole car is a massive exercise. where everything from how the boot lid locks to wheel design to engine layout. To make a RHD version of that same car doesnt require a clean sheet.
    Agree.

    The extra cost is nothing remotely close to the original, and a cost that should be shared across all units.
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