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    As Ian mentioned earlier, if this FWd V6 Commodore gets sales traction,
    it may help the cause for bringing a V6 EB Mondeo/Fusion to our shores.

    and while not perfect in many people's eyes, that TTV6 would give the range some added excitement.

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    I'm sure Rob will be along shortly to save us from ourselves and explain why we don't need a performance Mondeo here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    I'm sure Rob will be along shortly to save us from ourselves and explain why we don't need a performance Mondeo here.
    If it's not feasible to set up Euro production to make TTV6 Mondeo,
    then perhaps a cottage industry/ HSV type engine and rear diff swap?
    Perhaps Prodrive could be commissioned to do say, 500 or so and see how that goes..

    As usual, I'm sure that Ford has already looked at every avenue and made their own determination.
    It may not be the answer we like or it could be that they are waiting to see what is possible on
    the next gen product cycle..

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    Looks like the 2018 will have a jacked up 4x4 wagon too.

    https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/16...ts-green-light
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    http://www.caradvice.com.au/546115/2...ore-vxr-spied/

    18 Holden Commodore ‘VXR’ spied
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    The Holden Commodore ‘VXR’ has been spied undergoing road testing in Germany, and despite being sold with Opel, Vauxhall and Buick badges elsewhere in the world, this prototype is wearing the Holden lion.

    It’s not certain what the hottest variant yet of the next-generation Commodore will be known as, but it’s almost certain it will be branded as the Opel Insignia OPC on the Continent, and the Vauxhall Insignia VXR in the UK.

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    Compared to the versions of the Holden Commodore, Opel and Vauxhall Insignia, and Buick Regal liftback that have been revealed so far, this OPC/VXR model has a number of design changes visible despite the full-body camouflage.

    Up front, the Commodore VXR has a new front bumper with redesigned lower air intakes. Along the sides we can see aggressively styled sills, a new alloy wheel design, lowered suspension, and Brembo brakes.

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    Out the back there’s a much more prominent spoiler along the trailing edge of the liftback tailgate. There’s also a new lower section for the rear bumper, which includes stylised metallic surrounds for the exhaust tips.

    Under the bonnet, it’s rumoured the Commodore VXR will feature a twin-turbo version of GM’s 3.6-litre V6 tuned to generate between 260kW and 300kW of power. All-wheel drive is virtually certainty.

    The most powerful confirmed variant of the new Commodore range features all-wheel drive and a 230kW/370Nm naturally-aspirated 3.6-litre V6.

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    With Holden’s plant in Elizabeth due to close on October 20, 2017, the next-generation Commodore will be fully imported from Germany.

    Based on GM’s front- and all-wheel drive E2XX platform, the new Commodore will feature 2.0-litre turbocharged petrol and diesel engines, as well as a naturally-aspirated 3.6-litre V6.

    The new Commodore will be available as a five-door liftback, Sportwagon, and high-riding Tourer.
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    Has estimated pricing been quoted at all ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TS50 View Post
    http://www.caradvice.com.au/546115/2...ore-vxr-spied/


    Under the bonnet, it’s rumoured the Commodore VXR will feature a twin-turbo version of GM’s 3.6-litre V6 tuned to generate between 260kW and 300kW of power. All-wheel drive is virtually certainty.

    The most powerful confirmed variant of the new Commodore range features all-wheel drive and a 230kW/370Nm naturally-aspirated 3.6-litre V6.
    The "Rumor" was squashed a month ago, research helps.

    http://www.motoring.com.au/why-no-tw...modore-106301/

    Holden and HSV experimented in Australia with making such an engine (TTV6) fit but gave the task away as too complex and expensive to justify. As for the V8 engines that have been a bulwark of hi-po Commodores and sustained HSV for generations… Never a chance.

    So why wasn’t the additional space for a turbocharged engine — that would offer significant performance and marketing upsides – ‘baked’ into the program when Holden and HSV clearly would benefit from it?

    “One of the things we have tried to do with the car is significant weight reduction and whenever you are going after weight if you add too much bandwidth into everything, you carry is what you call ‘scar mass’,” explained Opel design chief Mark Adams.

    “Then the inherent car is too heavy relative to the overall performance. So there comes a point when we start tipping the scales too far the other way. That is all a trade-off decision and a part of that dialogue is all about finding the right balance of the car,” Adams said.

    “If we add everything in and say ‘now we have got all the specifications we need’, then the overall car becomes too heavy, less agile, less balanced. So it’s all about finding that balance,” he said

    Asked if it was a design or engineering call to not package protect for a V6 twin turbo, Adams described it as a “company call”.

    “Design and engineering are part of the thing and we have to make leadership decisions all the way along on these things… We see the pros and the cons and we make choices. Designing and engineering a car you make choices every day.”

    Adams was clear that the decision on applicable engines was made early in the Insignia program, driven by the car’s move to GM’s new E2XX architecture.

    “They have to be baked into the architecture because what you can’t do is be messing around with the architecture when you are designing the final car, because then you are in trouble,” he stated.

    The installation of the V6 engine in Insignia has been claimed as a Holden initiative because for Commodore. Opel will only offer four-cylinder turbocharged powertrain options for Insignia in Europe. But the V6 is also likely to turn up in the next Buick Regal, although no-one from Opel can confirm that with media as that car won’t be revealed for some weeks.

    Zipser was clearly somewhat bemused about the line of questioning regarding the lack of a turbocharged V6.

    “What I would say is look to the overall package of the car. One of the big advantages of the car is that it is getting very light,” he responded.

    “So for me this is a different interpretation for the next generation Commodore — we are reducing drastically weight… It is 200-300kg lighter [than the current Commodore],” Zipser continued.

    “What I am saying is that we customise the vehicle with the weight reduction on to performance… If you talk about single turbo or twin turbo ,at the end of the day what counts is driving performance and the driving behaviour.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    The "Rumor" was squashed a month ago, research helps.

    http://www.motoring.com.au/why-no-tw...modore-106301/
    I know, I just wonder how much reseach some of these so called journalists do
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