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    Tickford launch Supercharged Mustang option

    I can understand why Tickford went that direction. Using the Ford Racing parts would seem like a logical choice against the unproven, bespoke and unique to Australia Harrop solution. Ford will continue to develop the blown kits for the coyote but who knows what Harrop will do. Also, the Ford Racing kit allows them to leverage from the US Ford Performance or Racing branding and assets.

    But as you say Norm, it is a shame from an engineering perspective. In an ironic twist the most bespoke solution here is also the one that looks the most OEM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Futura View Post
    My comments regarding Zero development was for the hardware bolt on supercharger kit only. For example, what the difference between Tickfords and herrods supercharge kits? Both appear to be using the same supercharge head unit.

    Oh I understood what you we referring to just not sure where you are going with it.

    Supercharger manufacturers. How many are there in the world? Harrop aren't using their own supercharger.

    They are designed around an eaton unit. You might remember a few superchargers failing, well it's was the eaton portion of the Harrop kit at fault.

    Herrod has aligned himself with Ford Perfromance as have Tickford. There are Ford DNA issues underlining the use of Ford Perfromance parts and how they work. The third party is Ford themselves.

    You won't see them using Harrop kits in mustangs here or anywhere else for that matter.

    What separates all these options isn't the hardware but how it's been used.

    Brembo supply brakes to a lot of cars. Not all em have the same performance or even feel.
    Zf or Sachs supply the same exact parts to many manufacturers but then they are tuned towards the the companies own requirements that set them apart from the competition.

    Where Ford Perfomance is used there is some political BS going on so it will be interesting to see exactly how the cars drive.

    As to what is different between Herrod and Tickford offerings we will have to wait to see the full details of which haven't been supplied as yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Yep. It looks the best of the lot, and given they did Miami I've got a soft spot for that engineering pedigree.

    Like I said, I wish Tickford had engaged their kit.



    You are an agent of Ford Perfromance and you use a competition product while trying to convince Ford they shouldn't leave supercar racing. You own the race team and the road car business.

    So you are doing all these things behind the scenes to do right by Ford. Under the circumstances the only kits Tickford would use will come with Ford backing and be kits used in mustang in the states. For Tickford to use Harrop, would probably mean losing Ford Perfromance agency.


    The goal with Tickford is to work with Ford not against them which means using Fords preferred solutions.

    You will note Harrop were not used by Ford Australia. Ford Australia are not allowed to deviate from what's used in the states even though there has been a relationship previously with Harrop.

    The most likely package offering would come from premcar for example who so far aren't interested in this direction.

    In fairness not many people who install superchargers are going to be worried about appearance or noise from a factory test perspective that's redundant post registration.

    If the laws were changed that would be different.

    If you want proof of this, just ring Herrod and ask how long you have to wait to get a Ford Perfromance kit installed.

    If only politics weren't an issue. Teaming up with Harrop doesn't progress the Ford association. It's about the long game and an eye on my18 where supercharger packages might not work at all. For what is essentially a start up, it make sense to work in this direction till we know more about what's required to enhance coyote mk3

    Does that mean that it's a lesser option than Harrop?

    It just depends.
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    Yep.

    Look i understand why its all worked out that way, politics and ease of plug and play from Fords perspective given there's zero R+D because all the data needed exists.

    But taking a holistic view of all this if you were to try to get a product across the line as truly OEM the Harrop setup would likely be most likely to succeed.

    The irony in all this is Fords solution is probably more "aftermarket" than something like the Harrop one..

    MY18 is clean slate again, that will be interesting.


    for some reason Mustang has reset the market's thinking about OEM and i think that's a bad thing.
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    With the higher compression engines in the new M19 model, it will be interesting to see what Ford racing US will do with the supercharger option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futura View Post
    With the higher compression engines in the new M19 model, it will be interesting to see what Ford racing US will do with the supercharger option.
    Some people are already saying with cam phasing adjustments they can get around the increased static compression ration issues, but with that will come trade offs, so time will tell i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Some people are already saying with cam phasing adjustments they can get around the increased static compression ration issues, but with that will come trade offs, so time will tell i guess.
    Yes there are methods of getting around high compression. You also need to remember that any of these supercharged and turbo charged options don't rely on high boost to make good power. Quite the contrary. 6 - 9 psi which is a manageable boost level given the Coyote engines are built strong from factory. Depending on the application that will see 370 to over 400 rwkws.

    What I like about MY18 is it sounds like an fantastic naturally aspirated, higher revving engine. That really appeals to me even without the blower, and especially without it. If I was to look at any power adder it would be a set of small turbos to give the bottom end and mid range more torque, which also maintaining reasonable fuel economy. I wouldn't do that aftermarket however unless Ford offered a kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Some people are already saying with cam phasing adjustments they can get around the increased static compression ration issues, but with that will come trade offs, so time will tell i guess.
    Its these so called trade offs that will be of great interesting.

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