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    Yarra Council introduce 30kph trial.

    What a joke.

    https://www.yarracity.vic.gov.au/new...as-30kmh-trial

    Why is Yarra City Council trialling a 30 km/h?
    Our vision is to have no deaths or serious injuries on Yarra roads by 2026. We’ve joined a global Safe Speed movement. Death or serious injuries to pedestrians, cyclists and motorbike riders increases dramatically at speeds above 30 km/h. A 30 km/h speed limit provides a safer environment for all road users.
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    From a Local Resident:

    While the intention of improving safety is a positive, there appears to be a negligent lack of science in this debate.
    I participated in the council's resident survey after doing a global search for published peer-reviewed scientific evidence that showed a reduction from 40 to 30km/h would measurably improve safety. I could find no supporting evidence.
    I told the council that in my survey submission. They've clearly ignored my input and instead progressed with what I would consider an ill-informed, negligent and economically wasteful 'trial'.
    It's actually possible that the change may unintentionally drive more unsafe behaviours (such as more road rage incidents due to delays).
    It's a testable theory but I'm expecting the council will simply collect skewed data and then create findings they want to conclude.
    This situation of well-meaning negligence is up there with the frequent approval of some shoebox apartments with less car parks than required by law, based on the assumption (I'm told by the council) that reducing car parks will change people's car owning behaviour.
    It does not: the evidence I've found only indicates that the apartments with no car parks simply appeal to a completely different demographic who don't own cars anyway. Changing a demographic is not the same as changing people's choices/behaviours.
    If you'd like a respectful debate based on data and logic, rather than on a misguided ideology that is not based on available data, just let me know Yarra City Council.
    This drives me bonkers.

    Councils once again trying to mold choice and preferences.

    Social justice warriors.

    If i had it my way id mandate all 1 bedroom dwellings must provide 1 off street carpark and 2 bedroom must provide 2 off street carparks.

    The proliferation of redevelopments and multi dwelling high rises with poor or no off street parking in suburban areas is creating massive street and parking congestion.

    Forcing people to abandon cars with that strategy is not the solution.
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    Going by this line of logic we might as well drop it to 20km/hr next year. Because a 20km/hr environment is safer than a 30km/hr environment. Lack of facts and looking at a bigger picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perko View Post
    Going by this line of logic we might as well drop it to 20km/hr next year. Because a 20km/hr environment is safer than a 30km/hr environment. Lack of facts and looking at a bigger picture.
    maybe 10 km/h, even safer, then pedesrians can keep up
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    Quote Originally Posted by TS50 View Post
    maybe 10 km/h, even safer, then pedesrians can keep up
    Then you have to slow pedestrians down because it becomes unsafe for the motor vehicles and bikes.
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    so do bikes now need speedos? I mean how will they know if they are exceeding 30 km/h?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TS50 View Post
    so do bikes now need speedos? I mean how will they know if they are exceeding 30 km/h?
    Add that to the rego? Runs and hides
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSE2 View Post
    Add that to the rego? Runs and hides
    well how else do we know who was the speeding cyclist
    and if they can exceed 30km/h but cars cant, then that is discrimination
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    If i had it my way id mandate all 1 bedroom dwellings must provide 1 off street carpark and 2 bedroom must provide 2 off street carparks.
    You mean they don't..??

    In Wait Awhile you've gotta provide X number of spaces based on dwelling type, and if you can't you've got to provide a cash-in-lieu contribution to the local government so they can provide on-street parking facilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Warrior View Post
    You mean they don't..??

    In Wait Awhile you've gotta provide X number of spaces based on dwelling type, and if you can't you've got to provide a cash-in-lieu contribution to the local government so they can provide on-street parking facilities.
    Nup.

    You can buy apartments here with no parking.

    Or a Unit/Town house with a 5m x 3m "1 car" garage at right angles to a 2.5m wide driveway you'd barely get a Prius with 4 wheel steering into....
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