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    Yet 99% never go off road??

    I'm not seeing Raptor as a SS or XR type replacement...

    There is virgin soil to be turned here.

    Also..

    It wouldnt surprise me one bit to see the US spec Raptor get a different engine to ours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSE2 View Post
    So what has driven this product?

    Ranger going globally and by that the US market having this sort of attraction due to the full size raptor that seems to have a cult following,

    or

    Is there a demand here for this and going globally pushes it across the line?
    Perhaps it is both? The South Africans are into their off roading as well, and whilst I can't imagine the off road "scene" being particularly huge in Europe and Asia, I'd image the pose value alone would sell cars.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Yet 99% never go off road??

    I'm not seeing Raptor as a SS or XR type replacement...

    There is virgin soil to be turned here.

    Also..

    It wouldnt surprise me one bit to see the US spec Raptor get a different engine to ours...
    99% of SS, XR's and FPV's never saw a racetrack either, but the facts are the market has moved on, 4x4 dual cab utes are now king of the dealership and of the family garage because of the flexibility they offer to consumers. Yet playing on Ford's performance roots reminds buyers of the heady days of dad's XY GT, Bathurst wins, cars that delivered - just because it isn't a sedan, doesn't mean the pedigree disappears.

    And yes, I doubt we'll get the Ecoboost donk, it would HAVE to be the 3.0 V6 diesel. Otherwise it would be market suicide in Australia at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Warrior View Post
    Perhaps it is both? The South Africans are into their off roading as well, and whilst I can't imagine the off road "scene" being particularly huge in Europe and Asia, I'd image the pose value alone would sell cars.



    99% of SS, XR's and FPV's never saw a racetrack either, but the facts are the market has moved on, 4x4 dual cab utes are now king of the dealership and of the family garage because of the flexibility they offer to consumers. Yet playing on Ford's performance roots reminds buyers of the heady days of dad's XY GT, Bathurst wins, cars that delivered - just because it isn't a sedan, doesn't mean the pedigree disappears.

    And yes, I doubt we'll get the Ecoboost donk, it would HAVE to be the 3.0 V6 diesel. Otherwise it would be market suicide in Australia at least.
    SS/XR were street products with above average handling, performance and Sport looks, not "Track" products.

    Nobody seems to be catering to the bloke who wants a sporty looking truck that goes well, brakes well and handles like a car.

    Is there a market for that? I don't really know, but its possibly the only way id consider one.

    On engines...

    It won't be the 3.5 V6TT from the bigger F150 so that leaves the 2.7TT V6 from Fusion, 2.3 4Cyl from RS/Mustang or an up spec'd turbo Diesel.
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    Like you guys I saw the Ford Performance at the end and went WTF. However if Ford Oz are looking to change some of their direction without back tracking then the FP argument makes good marking sense. The Ranger can easily piggy back onto the Mustang and all of a sudden Ford has those hero brands to get out there without having to get into their no racing stnace. You then use the Mustang ads and FP as the driver to bring the Mustang shell into the V8SC to replace Falcon. Makes the move seamless and Ford Oz can still say that they directly will not put money into racing programs.

    Maybe thinking too much with some spare time. However I like the idea of the Ranger Raptor. A meaner stance and slight power improvement. Never been a big fan of the Wildtrak as far as looks (especially past the cab) so maybe this will float my boat.
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    Wildtrak is a bit soft, but it has been popular laying the foundation for a higher spec model. It reminds me a bit of an XR level model of the Ranger. The Raptor is my FPV or now FP and that's a good thing. There are upgraded Rangers everywhere in SA. When I say upgraded I mean wheels, suspension kits , body kits, performance kits etc. These high rise duel cab Utes have become the new 'every mans' car.

    Anyone know if Ford are 'officially' supporting the new Super Ute series?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Warrior View Post
    Look at it this way, what's the number 1 new car market segment in Australia - these utes. Ford has a massive stake in the segment and an even bigger stake in the Ranger, given the enormous aftermarket for these cars and the equally enormous interest in "4x4" performance, it makes total sense for Ford to break into this space with a number of offerings in a tier of products - just like they used to do with a certain other Ford product that was highly regarded for its racing and performance pedigree.
    I've been saying it for ages, these OE's need to get IN, it is huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Warrior View Post
    Perhaps it is both? The South Africans are into their off roading as well, and whilst I can't imagine the off road "scene" being particularly huge in Europe and Asia, I'd image the pose value alone would sell cars.



    99% of SS, XR's and FPV's never saw a racetrack either, but the facts are the market has moved on, 4x4 dual cab utes are now king of the dealership and of the family garage because of the flexibility they offer to consumers. Yet playing on Ford's performance roots reminds buyers of the heady days of dad's XY GT, Bathurst wins, cars that delivered - just because it isn't a sedan, doesn't mean the pedigree disappears.

    And yes, I doubt we'll get the Ecoboost donk, it would HAVE to be the 3.0 V6 diesel. Otherwise it would be market suicide in Australia at least.
    Its a market that has been going on in OS for ages FYI.
    Its driven by consumers, it has been huge in Aftermarket for years and years, 15+, RW, in Europe and Asia might I add....
    US is huge due its pop and also the vast open country, BAHA style stuff with buggys long ago but also obviously pick ups.
    In Asia off roading is big, 4x4 jungle events in Malaysia for eg sponsored by countless Aftermarket companies abroad and by many of our locals such as ARB Tuff Dog TJM etc.
    Eastern Europe just the same, again many aussie Aftermarket companies involved.
    France even has good 4x4 business incl Sth Africa as mentioned.
    Here there is countless events just as rallying has its own but the 4x4 stuff has been developing, Finke as you mentioned been going for years.
    Here for eg, is rock hopping and the like, hundreds of people attend this event annually for 4days - its their supercar kind of thing in a way but most would be attending in their Patrols/Landcruisers/Rangers/Hiluxs/Navara/Tritons etcetc http://tufftruck.com.au/
    The companies I am involved with have huge Export business all over the world (some couldn't care less of their australian portion, Export is an oyster) - I forgot to mention Middle East - massive incl Armoured business to Sth Africa as a sideline specialist business.
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    This is todays market, I know I would love a 2wd performance dual cab but the volume of current 2wds just isn't good enough I suspect.
    Coupled with another good portion of grey nomads 4x4 is numbers.
    I agree Wildtrak needs more, by a more aggressive offering - power, better wheels, better suspension, and importantly the OE's need to get their parts bin up.
    The amount they can make from extras is immense.
    Some people spend another $30k easily above their new 4x4 purchase.
    ARB is not a $500m for nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTe217 View Post
    Its a market that has been going on in OS for ages FYI.
    Its driven by consumers, it has been huge in Aftermarket for years and years, 15+, RW, in Europe and Asia might I add....
    US is huge due its pop and also the vast open country, BAHA style stuff with buggys long ago but also obviously pick ups.
    In Asia off roading is big, 4x4 jungle events in Malaysia for eg sponsored by countless Aftermarket companies abroad and by many of our locals such as ARB Tuff Dog TJM etc.
    Eastern Europe just the same, again many aussie Aftermarket companies involved.
    France even has good 4x4 business incl Sth Africa as mentioned.
    Here there is countless events just as rallying has its own but the 4x4 stuff has been developing, Finke as you mentioned been going for years.
    Here for eg, is rock hopping and the like, hundreds of people attend this event annually for 4days - its their supercar kind of thing in a way but most would be attending in their Patrols/Landcruisers/Rangers/Hiluxs/Navara/Tritons etcetc http://tufftruck.com.au/
    The companies I am involved with have huge Export business all over the world (some couldn't care less of their australian portion, Export is an oyster) - I forgot to mention Middle East - massive incl Armoured business to Sth Africa as a sideline specialist business.
    Well there you go. More expansive than I thought. There's your business case and market right there, the rest of it is the 'doing' part and given Ford Australia is the engineering home room for the Ranger, little wonder it is being pushed with a strong performance slant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WASP View Post

    Anyone know if Ford are 'officially' supporting the new Super Ute series?

    This has been occupying my thoughts since Stone released his racing ranger.

    I am prepared to wait to see what the racing is like before making up my mind but this stance we have makes it very hard for Ford to move in anyway.

    It's a hard line approach when you won't say yes to IP use. As the superutes are a support category for the issue they seem to have, the same audience that means, it's hard to see how they could support it.

    And yet you just feel this segment is about to explode if it already hasn't. Performance Utes in SUV versions are going to be big especially once they start erroding dynamically into SS territory and I think that will happen.

    Our stance is too restrictive when you consider ip refusal is about appearances and perceptions.

    I think Ford need to be in this category because it's one strong element to our sales right now.

    We have gone from the Falcon company to the ranger company.

    I suspect Ford believe that has occurred without racing, no need to embrace it now.

    I am less convinced about this if others act and when considering what a brand like Ford Performanec means image wise if you elect to follow it socially.

    Tickford will have a team in this category. They are going to be mad not to. Fords stance against Tickford makes this a mess as well.

    Something so easy has been made way more complicated than need be.

    Ford would have an issue allowing sponsorship on a Tickford racing ranger while they aren't supporting the road versions.

    This is just a monumental stuff up imo.
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