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    Quote Originally Posted by WASP View Post
    Tim and the team obviously think highly of James. Should we have more faith in his decsion?
    Did you have faith in them taking on NotSo (rec) for that matter - wasted excercise imo and glad its over and as much as Moff Snrs Ford driving record is of Legend I just can't understand this call unless their were NO other credible options ?????? that we don't know of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FTe217 View Post
    Did you have faith in them taking on NotSo (rec) for that matter - wasted excercise imo and glad its over and as much as Moff Snrs Ford driving record is of Legend I just can't understand this call unless their were NO other credible options ?????? that we don't know of.

    I saw that as a commercial decision but admit I felt from a racing perspectives it was unlikley to yeild much sucess on track. It felt like a missed opportunity at the time but those events have now lead to Richie S joining the team. As supporters, we dont always have the full view or appreciation of a stratigic plan being played out.

    Tim saying James was at the top of their list. This would suggest he was their ideal and preferred pick, not a substitute in the event of no better options. That said, I would have imagined they would have had their eyes on Will Davision before he went to LDR.

    Of all the places Moff Jnr is fast it at the big enduro locations such as Bathurst and Sandown. Speed in their co-drives has been an issue in the past. Teams really need two fast drivers to win today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WASP View Post
    I saw that as a commercial decision but admit I felt from a racing perspectives it was unlikley to yeild much sucess on track. It felt like a missed opportunity at the time but those events have now lead to Richie S joining the team. As supporters, we dont always have the full view or appreciation of a stratigic plan being played out.

    Tim saying James was at the top of their list. This would suggest he was their ideal and preferred pick, not a substitute in the event of no better options. That said, I would have imagined they would have had their eyes on Will Davision before we went top LDR.

    Of all the places Moff Jnr is fast it at the big enduro locations such as Bathurst and Sandown. Speed in their co-drives has been an issue in the past. Teams really need two fast drivers to win today.
    Without question Bright was a commercial decision largely out of their control.

    As you say that situation actually delivered them Ritchie, and he's going to be a star, so its worked out ok in the end.

    In terms of Moff that may also be a commercial decision, based on a number of elements all aligning.

    When you say top of the list when you look at all the commercial requirements required of that opportunity he may very well have been the best choice.

    We will never know the broader reasons for any particular selection.
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    ofcourse it was a commercial opportunity at the cost of track position/tactics/support to fellow team drivers more so importantly resulted in jack shit circulating at the back/in the way and not good overall PR to Joe Punter.
    You could even say it also contributed not taking points at crucial times buy going to the opposition that IF there was a decent competitive driver for the TEAM Results and not bank account the Championship could have been in a FORD. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    IF there was a smarter Team Principle he would have found another way in gaining Stanaways service's but as Norm quotes were not privvy to internal reasons/decisions.
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    Maurie in the past competitve Ford teams have hurt the cause more then helped.

    Having another competive rival Ford out tbere could have just as easily hurt Scott’s chances then helped.

    Holden teams have worked better together in the past thanks to a Motorsport manager and sponsorship relationship where agreements can happen in secret.
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    past present could have should have - never know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Maurie in the past competitve Ford teams have hurt the cause more then helped.

    Having another competive rival Ford out tbere could have just as easily hurt Scott’s chances then helped.

    Holden teams have worked better together in the past thanks to a Motorsport manager and sponsorship relationship where agreements can happen in secret.
    What Holden team has won championships?

    Which Holden team was taking points off them?

    There is no one. And news out today is that they are hoping the new car solves the aero sensativity of the old car.

    Just what we didn’t want. An easier car to work with. Seems like ludo might have stuffed up VF.

    With regards to young Moffat.

    History shows us that a driver, just about any level of main game driver coming off a full season back to part time, works.

    There are a number of reasons for this.

    The enduro cup tracks are very specific. Drivers at the end of their life, who aren’t competitive in every round can be at Sandown and Bathurst.

    What did we argue about after Sandown last year?

    A lack of speed from PRA co drivers.

    Moffat does bring more speed than Owen or canto.

    Driving to a number, not having the pressure to advance position might just be what Tim is thinking and being able to match pace with the likes of Alex in car 17 might just be something that turns moffats fortunes around.

    He could be the new Dumbrell and that’s where T8 have had the advantage. Paul brings a game pace options to car 88.

    He does make makes mistakes but it’s really only the surfers round that can be risky.

    A big part about surfers is the starting position determined by the main driver.

    I am sure Tickford Racing would feel he can be managed and it will be interetesting to see his pace compared to the others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Maurie in the past competitve Ford teams have hurt the cause more then helped.

    Having another competive rival Ford out tbere could have just as easily hurt Scottís chances then helped.

    Holden teams have worked better together in the past thanks to a Motorsport manager and sponsorship relationship where agreements can happen in secret.
    What Holden team has won championships?

    Which Holden team was taking points off them?

    There is no one. And news out today is that they are hoping the new car solves the aero sensativity of the old car.

    Just what we didnít want. An easier car to work with. Seems like ludo might have stuffed up VF.

    With regards to young Moffat.

    History shows us that a driver, just about any level of main game driver coming off a full season back to part time, works.

    There are a number of reasons for this.

    The enduro cup tracks are very specific. Drivers at the end of their life, who arenít competitive in every round can be at Sandown and Bathurst.

    What did we argue about after Sandown last year?

    A lack of speed from PRA co drivers.

    Moffat does bring more speed than Owen or canto.

    Driving to a number, not having the pressure to advance position might just be what Tim is thinking and being able to match pace with the likes of Alex in car 17 might just be something that turns moffats fortunes around.

    He could be the new Dumbrell and thatís where T8 have had the advantage. Paul brings a game pace options to car 88.

    He does make makes mistakes but itís really only the surfers round that can be risky.

    A big part about surfers is the starting position determined by the main driver.

    I am sure Tickford Racing would feel he can be managed and it will be interetesting to see his pace compared to the others.
    History is a statement, the future is a question.

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    http://www.supercars.com/news/champi...?sf179302916=1

    Tickford name change.

    Team principal Tim Edwards says his Supercars squad’s off-season rebrand to Tickford Racing takes it “almost full circle” to its history with Glenn Seton.

    British outfit Prodrive purchased Seton’s team in late-2002, renaming it Ford Performance Racing in partnership with the manufacturer for the following season.

    Covering Ford’s then-impending Supercars exit and a change of ownership away from Prodrive UK, the operation was renamed Prodrive Racing Australia for 2015.

    Its latest rebrand for 2018 aligns the race team to its road-car arm - launched nearly 18 months ago - and echoes the Ford Tickford Racing banner under which Seton’s squad raced from 1999-01.

    “It makes perfect sense for us to tie our businesses together and it's almost going to go back to our roots in both the road car business and the race team,” Edwards told Supercars.com.

    “Essentially Prodrive Racing was born out of FPR, which was born out of FPV (Ford Performance Vehicles) and FPV was Tickford [before Prodrive’s purchase].

    "This team was bought off Glenn Seton Racing, which was Ford Tickford Racing. We’ve almost gone full circle with everything.

    “It’s exciting, it’s nice to be able to bring that brand back to life as much as we have.”

    The Tickford name dates back to a coach-building firm established on Tickford Street in the village of Newport Pagnell in the UK in 1820.

    It diversified into cars as internal combustion engines emerged approaching the turn of the century and became part of Aston Martin - which still owns the site - in 1955.

    The name returned in 1981 after being broken away as an independent engineering firm, first enlisted by Ford Australia for its high-performance arm 10 years later.

    With more than a decade of vehicles produced under the banner, and the name’s history with Seton’s Supercars outfit, Edwards believes the Tickford name "also resonates with a lot of people.

    “You still see plenty of Tickford cars driving around on the road from 15 to 20 years ago.

    “It’s got a bit of history in this country, not so much with the younger generation but hopefully through both our racing and road-car businesses we’ll bring that more back to life.

    “What a lot of people don’t realise is it’s actually 198 years old.

    “The original coach-building factory still exists in Tickford Street - there might be a 200th anniversary edition in a couple of years!”
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