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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post

    Interestingly the law says 100mm min.
    This is the interesting thing.... You wouldn't be happy if your new Mustang got defected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randel View Post
    This is the interesting thing.... You wouldn't be happy if your new Mustang got defected

    I don’t believe the ADR 43 covers clearance of items designed to contact the road.

    It’s not as simple as 100mm clearance and it’s meant to be measured a certain way while loaded to the MMS.

    There are a few other things like 1/3 deviation as well.

    When we were briefed on these rules, the Tickford cars don’t leave without complying to these requirements but it’s measured from the lowest point under the car it’s self, not skirts or mud flaps for example.

    Some exotics have skirts much lower than 535R, some even have a raise feature because of this lowness.

    It’s deemed as contactable.
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    In qld it's 100mm, no part of the car can be lower. Doesn't matter if it's skirts exhaust or gutter twangers. If it's lower it needs a mod plate or it's a defect.

    These wouldn't be classed as a factory car would they? They are aftermarket modified? Your average supercar seems to be able to get around these laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by defective View Post
    In qld it's 100mm, no part of the car can be lower. Doesn't matter if it's skirts exhaust or gutter twangers. If it's lower it needs a mod plate or it's a defect.

    These wouldn't be classed as a factory car would they? They are aftermarket modified? Your average supercar seems to be able to get around these laws.
    Without looking specifically at what qld has done, what's stated under the regs and how its measured is specific.

    My Falcons with mud spats dont have 100mm clearance so I am assuming qld is defecting anything with mudflaps as well.


    No these arent factory cars but do comply with the relevant adr 43 requirements.

    Those arent as simple as 100mm. It's actually alot stricter than that but measuring it on the street isnt basically impossible.

    The rule is meant to be to protect suspension bottom out, it depends what the manufacturer states and then it's the loaded maximum as stated.

    For example if you have 101 mm and it's just you in the car when measured, it's going to be illegal.

    They arent testing it correctly. That clearance isnt meant to be unloaded.

    My ute the front spat on the drivers side hits the road. There is no 100mm clearance under it and the police wint measure that point. They know they cant do that.

    Next time ask them why? Ask then why they dont check the skirt clearance on a hyper car, exotic.

    The Tickford cars have the ability to be lowered under the regulations. They wont leave the factory in that state.

    The best ford example is probably the skirts on the FPV b series. If the car was to be measured correctly from factory it wont have 100mm.

    In the body shop we use a wheel lifter to get the hoist underneath it.

    We looked at the 535r this morning.

    It's not sitting correctly. The adr actually states you cant measure the car in that position.

    As it is it's fine. It's well over 100mm but if it were put in the correct position for a check, checked to full manufacturer weight which will obviously lower the car further, I dont think it will have 100mm. But that's not really the problem with the kit. It's not the lowness of it but where its added length.

    Its exactly like a BF kit. It effectively became becomes the length of the front over hang when combined with angled.

    With qld, with the recent change even, there needs to be a further alteration to what Tickford can sell in qld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSE2 View Post
    Thatís because itís not just a cobra theme. Itís a ford theme, itís a mustang theme, and yes itís a cobra theme.
    That's because it was used on Mustangs, Cobra's (as in the Shelby/AC ones) and other Fords a decade before the Falcon Cobra came into existence.
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    I like it, I think it's cool.

    Would I buy it? Probably Not. But that is just me.


    I think they should add a Magnetic Grey with Silver stripes option. A little bit of Elanor for the masses.
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    Introducing the TVS 535R

    Your interpretation of the rules sounds right. 100 mm is measured from the lowest fixed point under the car, but this is not intended to include skirts and mud flaps etc. It doesnít explicitly say that in the rules however. The measurement is taken in a normal operating and unladen state.

    I went through this process with both the GT and the Mustang when working with an suspension engineer. Like so many rules there is a level interpretation. Often you find yourself complying to one rule but then another factor comes into play that you donít comply with. Itís a mind field but thatís why itís best left to the experts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    That's because it was used on Mustangs, Cobra's (as in the Shelby/AC ones) and other Fords a decade before the Falcon Cobra came into existence.
    This.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    That's because it was used on Mustangs, Cobra's (as in the Shelby/AC ones) and other Fords a decade before the Falcon Cobra came into existence.
    In your mind, reading what I wrote and then reading what you wrote differs in what way?

    It's the same thing.

    The look of the TSV 535R isnt exclusive cobra. It has no snake on it, it's not called a cobra.

    The only styling that links it to a cobra is the blue on the side.

    Over the weekend that's been altered and is set to be altered again before it goes into production.

    What it allows owners to do is:

    I own a TVS 535R I like the look because it is similar to many iconic MUSTANGs

    I own a TVS 535R, the look takes me back to the two door cobra coupes.

    If you want to argue with each of those owners good luck saying the look isnt both.

    Why do this?

    There is always a risk in attempting to please and appeal to all you satisfy no one.

    As a limited edition that introduces some of the my 18 initives it's not intended to be a big seller.

    Walking past it, once I realised how they had trimmed back the blue over the wheels, I am left with some concern on the carbon front splitter and need to see the blue side repropotioned which they will do.
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    The sides look much better with the blue reduced.

    With the QLD 100mm thing, I understand itís any fixed item canít be below 100mm, a mudflap is flexible so not Ďfixedí and allowed. Skirts are fixed and will breach.

    All depends on the cop and interpretation as Ian says. Thatís the trouble with Australian rules, itís too grey and too regional.


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