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    Supercharged mustangs back on the agenda for Ford Australia

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    I guess this beast will attract a $120,000.00 or MORE price tag?
    I wish the Federal government would Get rid of the Luxury Car tax and industry protection
    as we no longer HAVE an industry then, maybe these kind of vehicles would be more viable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa Smurf View Post
    I guess this beast will attract a $120,000.00 or MORE price tag?
    I wish the Federal government would Get rid of the Luxury Car tax and industry protection
    as we no longer HAVE an industry then, maybe these kind of vehicles would be more viable.
    Industry protection? What $0 import tarrifs?
    The fact that were RHD kills us...mind you the dollar will make imports worse.

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    I think it’s the wrong concept and indeed the wrong party to team up with.

    Adding a supercharger has massive implications that mean they have taken a short cut somewhere.

    ADR for noise is one thing, what about crash performance? It’s not going to be a good look if the top of the charger comes back through the firewall because it wasn’t meant to be there.

    I can see all sorts of insurance issues with this.

    Then again, I am slightly biased in as much that I th8nk a good tune is what’s needed.

    With the 18/19 it’s that good, it’s just not worth the money. I am yet to see a supercharger kit from anyone make sense.
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    To date none of the Supercharged MY18/19 kits have offered OEM levels of drivability or refinement, although i believe Tickford may have gone further than anyone else to date with their brand new kit.

    The new engine is just not suited to supercharging with such a high compression ratio, so lots of compromises have to be made to tune around it.

    FoA are not allowed to alter the generic tune with the kits so it will be interesting to see if FP have revised their plug in tune for this.

    A post sale kit offered by Ford through its dealers is a step above the aftermarket, but it still does not address the hole in the market for a dedicated "FPV" performance model above GT.

    We can only hope this toe in the water leads to a LE Supercharged model.
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    I think that remains to be seen.

    I am yet to be convinced adding more power to mustang to that degree is smart.

    The 18/19 is 500hp. If I would not add a supercharger with my track record on expenditure I can not see this being a huge business for ford.

    It's the wrong path for me.

    There isnt a supercharger kit I would entertain for my mustang and that's before you get to the issue of installing.

    It's going to be a mess between Herrod in some cases and trained dealers. At a guess
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    Lets also keep some context around the 18/19 GT, in Auto form at least it already offers Sprint levels of standing start performance as is.

    If we're looking for the best way to enhance the current setup there's one mod, especially for manual owners, that exists in the U.S FP catalog, that nobody to date is offering.

    Talking to people who's opinions i respect greatly that one area that could really improve this car from a standing start is a diff ratio change.

    It's quite likely the current diff ratio was deliberately selected to maintain the performance gap to the GT350 0-100 and 400m.

    A change would liberate a few tenths, add in a mild tune and you'd have a low 4 second 0-100 car that would scare anything under $150k.

    In terms of supercharging one goes, it remains to be seen if the cost of doing so gives the incremental improvement and drivability to justify the price tag...

    For me? given the current level of performance from the 10 spd version i wouldnt bother.

    I'd do the PP2 Wheels/tyres, 1" drop and that's it.



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    Dylan Campbell from Motor's impressions of the new Tickford Supercharged kit, pretty sure they use the same Supercharger as the FP one:

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    For the purposes of this thread what Tickford do or don’t do isnt really a concern. Half the audience will bash them again come October and say they haven’t created their own identity. 99% of those will be in favour of an identity of LE but not like that.

    The issue with mustang from a Ford perspective of priority is very simple.

    As reported in the review thread the manual has the wrong diff ratio and that stems from a selection issue for our country.

    From the dealership feedback we have received.

    How’s mustang sales going?

    “Everyone who wanted a mustang now has one” it’s a struggle.

    Walk around the yard and there are many a great example to buy, including new stock which isn’t moving.

    “That’s a problem 18, morphed into 19”


    During the racing debate and if Ford should be involved it was clear an original belief was Mustang would sell itself.. “We don’t need to promote mustang”

    It was mentioned on countless occasions that situation would not last.


    The next issue spoke about at length was the model timing. Norms pet hate. The delay, the the quick rotation into a step up year. Add in stock control and the once respectable resale perspective has blown up in smoke.

    12 months ago, the idea of teaming up with Herrod was about shifting 17 stock which brings us to the third and fourth point of importantance for Ford.

    Price and inability to get hold of PP2.

    All of these issues are in Fords wheel house. All of them need addressing before adding fuel to the fire.

    After going through the insurance side of modification for the Holygrail, it’s very clear to me that potentially Ford may have an advantage with a dealer ticked option box. The operative word is might. Most insurers categorically ruled out coverage with an engine modification.

    That said the number of kits supplied via Herrod and others means demand is there which brings us back to the number 1 issue with dealerfit. The installation.

    Dealers are not seen the same way here as they are in the states. It remains to be seen if someone like Rob won’t actually compete with this model. That’s what’s gone on in the past. Can you bypass what Ford are offering and go directly to Herrod and get the same thing with a promise of better for less. 100% profit for Rob.

    This is where there is an issue with an identity who wears many hats.

    Fords mustang issues are mounting now. They are creating an issue that making my worst fear my worst fear come true. The prospect of upgrading isn’t realistic. Adding options to a base car does nothing to address this. It’s just more money being burnt that ends up being a negative come insentive to update.

    The harder the car gets to shift the worse the go home model becomes. Then we have a real issue.

    Models must get here in a timely fashion after release. Special attention must be paid to convince owners to update.

    Building a coupe market on end is impossible. Most people need 4 doors. It’s a niche market.
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    The Tickford reference was because they use the Ford Performance Supercharger kit, so there's hope that decent drivability is possible.

    Missing out on PP2 is a huge issue, with a tune tickle a PP2 is a genuine Higher spec special.

    Getting customers to upgrade is absolutely paramount for Mustang to remain viable, it cant remain an enthusiast/weekender product because as you say, that pot is now full..

    The MY model year upgrade change over is handled appallingly, MY18 is the rarest Mustang here, MY19 came without even a mention, and significant updates are effectively superseded in the US by the time they hit our showrooms..

    It MUST appeal to the lease market as an exec level product.
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