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    Quote Originally Posted by MaidPsych38 View Post
    Hi everyone,
    I did a little research. Here is what I found, "Tesla headed into the year on a high note. But quality problems and sales concerns have led to a loss of investor confidence."I found this information here:https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/b...k-outlook.html
    Hope this helps.
    Interesting about the quality issues. Most Tesla owners seem to state its the best car they have ever owned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    Interesting about the quality issues. Most Tesla owners seem to state its the best car they have ever owned.
    Like most cults the members are of blind faith....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Like most cults the members are of blind faith....
    But surely they're the ones that count.

    Most have had a software glitch and commonly door handles, but no, diff bushes, timing chains, milkshake transmissions, blocked DPF's and all the other common problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    But surely they're the ones that count.

    Most have had a software glitch and commonly door handles, but no, diff bushes, timing chains, milkshake transmissions, blocked DPF's and all the other common problems.
    Waiting for the flat battery call to RACV....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Like most cults the members are of blind faith....
    Not really. Its the best car I've ever owned. Hands down.

    Problem is people see an Electric car and think all things are equal. People haven't had time to understand that its not that simple (or been exposed to enough variations to know the difference). Example, Pushrod V8 drives quite differently to a quad cam V8. But if all you look at is the engine configuration, i.e. V8, you miss a lot of information. Or a Turbo V8 vs Supercharged V8. All people think is Forced Induction if they aren't educated in the differences.

    Tesla has the best battery balancing tech out there. Its the reason the Euro's are delaying their entry cause they just can't get the batteries to last. Nissan, Renault and even Audi saw 30% degradation from their batteries within a year! Imagine losing 30% of your range 12 months after you buy the car? Worse still, if you lose "only" 25%, its not covered under warranty. Wonder why the Taycan is taking so long? They can't get the battery tech to work. Same reason Audi pulled their previous gen EV.

    Tesla, on the other hand, see less than 5% degradation in 12 months. In fact, it was over 250,000 before it dropped by 10%. Charging and draw both affect the life.

    Euro cars cannot compete at the moment. They are 8 years behind Tesla's learnings. If it was just money to develop it, they'd be there. They are not.

    Sadly, there will be a lot of disappointed Euro owners who buy it without understanding how EV's actually work or what their dependencies are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elks View Post
    But surely they're the ones that count.

    Most have had a software glitch and commonly door handles, but no, diff bushes, timing chains, milkshake transmissions, blocked DPF's and all the other common problems.
    Door handle issue were revised a few years ago (well before I bought mine). No issues these days. Build quality has been good for years as well though the Model 3 did suffer from some issues earlier on which have since been ironed out.

    My Mustang Coyote engine tensioners are on their 3rd revision from Ford (C part) and a TSB has just been put out in the US. They can't get it right. So when the established players can make mistakes, why is Tesla held to standard so much higher. (Wont even talk about my Sprint)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4Vman View Post
    Waiting for the flat battery call to RACV....
    45,000 kms since December 2017 without ever having to call out road side for a flat battery. Driven to Brissy, Melbourne, Dubbo, etc. Its a non issue.

    Now my ICE cars in that same time, plenty of Road side call outs.

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    https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...9fc98b17f53d5c

    Also worth noting is that they did a test with the Tesla vs Audi vs Hyundai. The audi was 23% less efficient than the heavier and bigger Tesla model X. That's a worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTe217 View Post
    I have no interest in EV's one bit for the record.
    I think you should, I think we all should.

    I said else where that my trade was one of the earliest to embrace battery power. To start with, it was very much the case of tradition, this will never catch on. Then they were all about being fine for certain tasks but nothing that requires real grunt. Today there is no such scepticism.

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    They are usually deemed throw away items. A car isn't really a throw away item and with batteries I can see a time in these cars lives where they just wont be worth anything to move on. The batteries in the tesla are good for about 8 years I think they say on warranty, or the life of my current GT. I can see a real issue with how these cars will be viewed after 8 years.

    Tesla the company. Usually you would say where here is smoke...…. there seems to be too many doom stories on the finance side to be an "agenda" driven shorting. I don't know what to think but if they do go under, well obviously that will be an issue. You would think another company would step in though. Ford and Gm tie up shows there are many White Knight scenarios in these very difficult times.

    I don't think I would buy a pure EV for the foreseeable future but hybrid I would. My location and logistics don't make sense for me.
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