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    Quote Originally Posted by WASP View Post
    Quite possibly. That said, I would place a value on having a 'Premcar' enhanced car over what any local workshop would provide. For starters, it would be ADR and emissions compliant and designed holistically to work with all the other elements of the car. That is worth something more than a sum of optional parts. The problem is, I would be investing in a car that is not collectible and still depreciating in value. If I threw the kitchen sink at it and did wheels, brakes, suspension, rear end architecture, turbo, intercooler, mapping, head, intake, exhaust etc..that would cost $45k+ on a car that is worth around $15-20k now. I cant not see the car being worth even half that in years to come.

    This makes me think an F6 or Sprint may in fact be a better base proposition.
    A F6 is a better base to start from than any other T6 product outside of Sprint 6 which would be the best of all.

    Without wanting to over generalize, that OEM value proposition is an easier scenario to "sell" to a GT/Miami owner than the traditional T6 owner.
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    It’s a real shame social media back rooms have taken over form forums because I have just spent the last 15 minutes reading utter rubbish that we have covered many many times over.

    Miami engines aren’t on boost all the time. They have an electronic bypass that bleeds boost off. This is why they are credit as a FI application mimicking a NA engine. It’s actually pretty accurate. It’s more boost on demand.

    As such hardware wise all HolyGrail cars are identical. Adding the intercooler was the big ticket item.

    That’s not the case with Barra. It has a different Achilles of which I am sure Premcar will address.

    The differences in hardware will make it interesting to watch what they do.

    F6 XR6 Sprint6 all have variations in hardware. All a demographic that I would have said is even more swayed by value.

    How does Premcar stand out from what’s out there now.

    Fuel, injectors, oil cooler, maybe a bigger intercooler, probably a better exhaust would be starting points. A different turbo I doubt but then again you might need to make your package consistent as is the case with HolyGrail.

    It’s interesting this has been announced now, with HG not sold out as far as I know.

    Obviously it’s been successful enough to warrant this announcement.

    If you were doing this, using the same logic, you need XR6 for volume just as HG allowed for XR8.

    It has the smaller turbo. That’s an issue straight up. Adding massive dollars to a XR6t is going to be a restricted market that’s even more sensitive to the aftermarket solutions.

    I do however believe Premcar will deliver a package that will exceed HG. I would back some astonishing performance times which might even be their goal. It’s about that torque. Pushing that Barra engine in the same way they approached HG, epic springs to mind.
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    I think the Barra Falcon's have greater scope for development

    Looking at low km Mk2 F6's they are asking FGX XR8 money. Interesting

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    They will extend their place as a cult hero. I am reasonably happy about that prediction.

    I don’t think Premcar can be in the 25k price range though. I agree completely with Norm, but then again what volume are you looking to shift. Who is your target?
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    Its an interesting sales pitch, and like the rest, I also think they need to get the information to the market correctly or they will be shot down twice as bad as what happened when HG was released.

    I like the idea what they are doing / bringing to the aftermarket industry. With the "OEM" look and feel, plus knowing the company history, I rate this quite a lot, but they are going to have to be very price sensitive or bring something to the market that no one else has or can do.

    I liked HG and what they are doing, but I didn't get too invested in the convos as I don't have a car it could be applied too. With this Barra version, I do have the F6 and Sprint, however I think I would only consider the F6 to modify, but that being a ute means it probably wont get any of the enhancements for wheels / suspension. That is assuming they are going to offer that on the turbo.

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    I am in the same situation.

    I haven’t ruled out the Sprint but it depends on what they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TICK4D-TAS View Post
    Its an interesting sales pitch, and like the rest, I also think they need to get the information to the market correctly or they will be shot down twice as bad as what happened when HG was released.

    I like the idea what they are doing / bringing to the aftermarket industry. With the "OEM" look and feel, plus knowing the company history, I rate this quite a lot, but they are going to have to be very price sensitive or bring something to the market that no one else has or can do.

    I liked HG and what they are doing, but I didn't get too invested in the convos as I don't have a car it could be applied too. With this Barra version, I do have the F6 and Sprint, however I think I would only consider the F6 to modify, but that being a ute means it probably wont get any of the enhancements for wheels / suspension. That is assuming they are going to offer that on the turbo.
    Educating that segment will be critical.

    A segment that arguably values the aftermarket ahead of OEM.
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