Ok, the FGII 335 GT V VE S3 317 Clubsport, its a serious head to head, GT Falcon out powers the Clubsport but the Clubsport claws it back in chassis dynamics and arguably appointments, what's your thoughts?
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Ok, the FGII 335 GT V VE S3 317 Clubsport, its a serious head to head, GT Falcon out powers the Clubsport but the Clubsport claws it back in chassis dynamics and arguably appointments, what's your thoughts?
So what are you talking here:
0-400m?
Short circuit?
Long circuit?
On the road?
Shiniest door handles?
Obviously Ford is better than Holden at everything because that is just natural law but apart from that I have not actually read any direct comparisons except on internet forums and those can sometimes be slightly biased :)
I have only driven the 307 Clubsport myself so I can't give a personal opinion on the 317 but the 307 was definitely quicker than a BA GT.
Clubsports are good track cars and handle like on rails, they are impressive performers and really lose nothing to BMW and the like but to me I like and have always liked the more supple ride of the Falcon. Yes they don't quite handle as well right at the extreme but the pay off in a more relaxed less nervous long distance car is well worth it.
I know that not everyone will feel this way but GT feels more like Luxury sports where HSV feels like true sports, the buyers are very different.
As with so many thing that are Ford versus Holden, if you hate one then you'll probably love the other. I like both for different reasons....
If Holden put the 580 hp ZL1 Camaro engine into HSV Clubsport, then I think the "false war" will be over and the real war begins....LOL
well said John, I would have to agree with all of that.
bias aside, as a performance ROAD car the GT, for me, is the better car and not just because of the motor.
if Norm's question was specific to the track I would say the clubbie would be in with a chance.
Neither car is any good at the track and the Clubsport in no way feels or handles like a BMW.
I’d pick the GT, it looks better than the Clubbie and has more power and those two things alone are enough to sell it to me. Most cars never see a track and these two aren’t suitable anyway, so the track appeal means nothing IMO and there isn’t enough handling difference between the two on the street to tip my decision either way. As I said, the GT on looks and power alone does it for me.
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Good idea. One of "those" threads that always end the same way. No better way to demonstrate the difference in offerings than a test drive.
In my opinion, bias aside, GT v clubbie is the best possible match up for FPV. GTS v GTP is a better match for HSV. Senator v GTE is probably more 60-40 Hsv's way.
I think HSV are in a better position to watch global trends and attemp to bring the to an Australian product first. I admire that.
interesting view and it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSE2
I wouldn't agree with that simply because Ford/FPV's tune is purposely biased towards the real world, not a track. FPV is the hands-down winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4Vman
I meant to say suspension tune...
Wrote a reply to this thread a while ago but it stuffed up and didn't go through. Its still an interesting topic.
I'm not too up to date with their appointments but hsv and fpv are fairly similar. Hsv claws back with a few little extras but that certainly caters to who they think will buy their cars. And fpv and hsv seem to be selling to two different demographics and on that front hsv is ahead with its range arguably catering to a larger audience.
I'm curious to see though what kind of demographics you guys think fpv are aiming for. Because to me they dont seem to trying too hard to begin with, but it seems to be more of an older audience with the gt and slightly younger with the f6.
Whereas the flagship hsv, the gts kind of allows for both with the malloo clearly aligned at a younger crowd.
Either way I think jpd80 is right, the real war is yet to begin.