Happy invasion day.

So regardless of what happened on the 26/1/1949 we are still subjects of the British empire are we not? and I feel if we strive for complete independence we could honour that with removing the union jack n put aboriginal flag in it's place n whatever day that happens on could be the new day for us all. Because we'd all truly have independence. An we honour past, present n future.
There's no doubt news outlets thrive on not giving everyone the full story n even if they did that change our situation? Would it change if our education system did the same? Would those upset listen n understand? N could the other side not rub it in their face. ???
Communication n understand is the only way forward

This is why a date change won't make any difference.

The stupidest bit of all this is the 26th of Jan is NOT the day Australia was "invaded", settled, or whatever you want to call it.

That was 19th of april 1770.

The 26th of January is effectively independence day from British control.

It occurred in 1946.

It's the anniversary of the beginning of Australian Citizenship.

I have no fkn idea why they call it invasion day, maybe they legitimately have no idea about history.

If somebody can suggest a date our Indigenous Australians won't feel sadness for the past wrongs I'm all ears.

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

This is why a date change won't make any difference.

The stupidest bit of all this is the 26th of Jan is NOT the day Australia was "invaded", settled, or whatever you want to call it.

That was 19th of april 1770.

The 26th of January is effectively independence day from British control.

It occurred in 1946.

It's the anniversary of the beginning of Australian Citizenship.

I have no fkn idea why they call it invasion day, maybe they legitimately have no idea about history.

If somebody can suggest a date our Indigenous Australians won't feel sadness for the past wrongs I'm all ears.

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Do indigenous people feel sadness specifically on this day?

Or in an attempt to include them in our modern world we have indoctrinated them in the "must be offended"


There is no other date.
There will always be someone's death or ill treatment if you want to go back after enough. Symbolism is what you wish to make it.

India also celebrate the 26th of January. They have a different reason but by the logic used here, they too must stop what they are doing because celebrating this day is wrong. Or are we selective enough to say that's for another reason that makes it ok.

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Do indigenous people feel sadness specifically on this day?

Or in an attempt to include them in our modern world we have indoctrinated them in the "must be offended"


There is no other date.
There will always be someone's death or ill treatment if you want to go back after enough. Symbolism is what you wish to make it.

India also celebrate the 26th of January. They have a different reason but by the logic used here, they too must stop what they are doing because celebrating this day is wrong. Or are we selective enough to say that's for another reason that makes it ok.

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If there's one thing i hate its pandering to minorities for illogical reasons.

Imagine if our democratic electoral system elected the group with the lowest Vote into power.

Our Indigenous Australians were treated extremely poorly early on.

We can't keep looking backwards, the lines been drawn.

I dont believe for 1 second their emotions are any more or less impacted on a single day.

if they feel sadness for what happened yesterday, im sure they feel the same sadness on the other 364 days of the year.

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

If there's one thing i hate its pandering to minorities for illogical reasons.

Imagine if our democratic electoral system elected the group with the lowest Vote into power.

Our Indigenous Australians were treated extremely poorly early on.

We can't keep looking backwards, the lines been drawn.

I dont believe for 1 second their emotions are any more or less impacted on a single day.

if they feel sadness for what happened yesterday, im sure they feel the same sadness on the other 364 days of the year.

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Absolutely agree.

However I don't see the sense in having a day where protests occur. I don't see the sense in each year having illogical debates fullnof inaccuracies. The one day we know no harm occurred was the 26th.

I can't, like you see how a single day cam stop sadness. Is it the optic of people having a good time, is it that people have a public holiday.

Remove it. These people want another date. I wouldn't give them that.

They can be responsible for the end of celebrating the 26th but they don't get another date.

If you're going to be upset by history we can't change no date will suffice or reduce that pain.

I would put it back on them.

Let's see how many protests there are when a public holiday is removed.

Let's see the conviction then when it impacts these white activists trying to make this racial.

The acts, like all acts of land acquisition aren't based on colour. Youre in our road, we are stronger, you lose.

I strongly suspect no matter what day of Australia day we have, it wouldn't be good enough. A protest of change would have been mounted and momentum garnered. If it had been April may June July or august there will still be a backlash because those with a voice were not part in determining the change.

They can now. Zero. Youre not getting a date change. The country can forever be reminded that we are prisoners of our past incapable of acknowledging a day but realising what we do now, how we treat the living is what counts.

Its like going to church on Sunday to ask for forgiveness then robbing people blind the next 6 days.

Which of those protesting has done one direct act of kindness to xhange bthe life of an indigenous family?

We are not one. We are young and will stay that way while children run the asylum.

I reserve the right to alter my opinion if there is proof sadness and depreciation of those of who genuinely count in this is confined to a single day.

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Originally Posted by HSE2

Absolutely agree.

However I don't see the sense in having a day where protests occur. I don't see the sense in each year having illogical debates fullnof inaccuracies. The one day we know no harm occurred was the 26th.

I can't, like you see how a single day cam stop sadness. Is it the optic of people having a good time, is it that people have a public holiday.

Remove it. These people want another date. I wouldn't give them that.

They can be responsible for the end of celebrating the 26th but they don't get another date.

If you're going to be upset by history we can't change no date will suffice or reduce that pain.

I would put it back on them.

Let's see how many protests there are when a public holiday is removed.

Let's see the conviction then when it impacts these white activists trying to make this racial.

The acts, like all acts of land acquisition aren't based on colour. Youre in our road, we are stronger, you lose.

I strongly suspect no matter what day of Australia day we have, it wouldn't be good enough. A protest of change would have been mounted and momentum garnered. If it had been April may June July or august there will still be a backlash because those with a voice were not part in determining the change.

They can now. Zero. Youre not getting a date change. The country can forever be reminded that we are prisoners of our past incapable of acknowledging a day but realising what we do now, how we treat the living is what counts.

Its like going to church on Sunday to ask for forgiveness then robbing people blind the next 6 days.

Which of those protesting has done one direct act of kindness to xhange bthe life of an indigenous family?

We are not one. We are young and will stay that way while children run the asylum.

I reserve the right to alter my opinion if there is proof sadness and depreciation of those of who genuinely count in this is confined to a single day.

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Agree.

So either leave the day as is, or cancel it all together and remove the forum for them to complain once a year.

What's peculiar about Australia day is that I (and think most here) am old enough to remember when Australia day wasn't a thing. It most cetainly wasn't the thing that it now is.

Aus day used to be the 26th but the public holiday was always the last Monday in January and people went away camping etc. It signified the end of summer. No one gave a crap about the 26th, it was a long weekend. There were no plastic flags etc. (made in China of course).

But Howard changed all that. He wanted the more nationalistic approach, move the public holiday to be strictly the 26th and it's grown from there. As it has grown, so has the push back. And we are where we are because of it.

Issues with aboriginal disadvantage and reconciliation are way bigger than can even be easily discussed let alone in a post on forum, and changing the date won't fix that. Maybe if those problems were addressed the push against Aus day would go away.

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What's peculiar about Australia day is that I (and think most here) am old enough to remember when Australia day wasn't a thing. It most cetainly wasn't the thing that it now is.

Aus day used to be the 26th but the public holiday was always the last Monday in January and people went away camping etc. It signified the end of summer. No one gave a crap about the 26th, it was a long weekend. There were no plastic flags etc. (made in China of course).

But Howard changed all that. He wanted the more nationalistic approach, move the public holiday to be strictly the 26th and it's grown from there. As it has grown, so has the push back. And we are where we are because of it.

Issues with aboriginal disadvantage and reconciliation are way bigger than can even be easily discussed let alone in a post on forum, and changing the date won't fix that. Maybe if those problems were addressed the push against Aus day would go away.

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Question, how many of those calling for change are actually impacted as you say?

Aboriginal elders can't even agree, so are for, some against.

All i see are mainly white antagonists.

Tony makes the point I think we are Norm.

It’s either social media and it’s ability to influence or as the day has evolved the kickback has grown.

If there is no public holiday, if we have a minutes silence at the time the flag was embedded does that fix it?

What about the day has become so conflicted? Address that.

That starts with Morrison getting off his arse and getting out into the aboriginal community. Not these protests organised by an agenda with political and financial motives organisers hiding in the shadows pulling the strings. Not activists where make up and $50 dollar tshirts.


Driving around with a flag made in China isn’t something aborigines should be upset about. White folks at the beach playing cricket completely oblivious as to what is symbolised, isn’t what you get upset about.

It has to start with those who matter most and that means it has to be genuine not a manufactured outrage that’s made convenient by the rise of social media run by those who must be offended and that of the reality of saying ain’t doing.

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What's peculiar about Australia day is that I (and think most here) am old enough to remember when Australia day wasn't a thing. It most cetainly wasn't the thing that it now is.

Aus day used to be the 26th but the public holiday was always the last Monday in January and people went away camping etc. It signified the end of summer. No one gave a crap about the 26th, it was a long weekend. There were no plastic flags etc. (made in China of course).

But Howard changed all that. He wanted the more nationalistic approach, move the public holiday to be strictly the 26th and it's grown from there. As it has grown, so has the push back. And we are where we are because of it.

Issues with aboriginal disadvantage and reconciliation are way bigger than can even be easily discussed let alone in a post on forum, and changing the date won't fix that. Maybe if those problems were addressed the push against Aus day would go away.

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Agreed re the early days, it was just a long weekend.
OK I get trying to turn it into more of a "celebration" so to speak BUT as usual here nothing is done correctly or to fact, the Dates are wrong as mentioned and the facts have never been up frontand centre enough so as we the people understand the process.
The other point is its opened todays media savvy "noisy" social net workers a platforms.
Its sickenning TBH, I'm all for listenning and trying to correct the past hardships imposed on others - frustrating no PM/Party have really addressed it properly with Indigenous Aussies but they also need a Leader who will also be strong enough to stand up and say to their own enough is enough.
We will come to party so BOTH sides of politics come to compramise and should be applauded and thats the finish of it all look ahead.