Covid 19 Fena advice thread.

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Can someone explain to me the class action for vaccine injury please?

There is a hazard in the environment. It essentially can't be avoided and it can be harmful. How are they going to prove their injuries wouldn't have happened regardless via the virus?

They can't get the companies, they are immunised. See what I did there!

I can see an issue with mandates but that's a different action

People with no previous heart issues are presenting with all manner of conditions (high blood pressure, arrhythmia, myocarditis/pericarditis) after being jabbed with the Pfizer and Moderna cocktails.

I do work for a hospital in metro Melbourne (RFID for pathology samples) and the amount of "code blue, crash cart" calls on the PA are astonishing. I thought nothing of it until I asked the IT liasion I was working with if that was normal. He just shook his head and said "our ED is swamped and has been for over a year." As anecdotal as that is, what isn't is the amount of documentation being handed over to lawyers (via FoIA requests and affidavit) about these injuries. Oh and Pfizer and Moderna have no immunity here, only in the US.

Sadly, that isn't the elephant in the room...

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Sad but true... i have spent a lot of money at the naturapath and the shrink and a hypnotist believe it or not these past couple of years.

I will never get another govjab or the flu shot for that matter, i went without it for 30yr's previous and i don't think i'm gonna live that long moving forward... but fuck em'

Fuck em' with a 10ft syringe in both butt cheeks and eye balls !!

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Sad but true... i have spent a lot of money at the naturapath and the shrink and a hypnotist believe it or not these past couple of years.

I will never get another govjab or the flu shot for that matter, i went without it for 30yr's previous and i don't think i'm gonna live that long moving forward... but fuck em'

Fuck em' with a 10ft syringe in both butt cheeks and eye balls !!

I don't blame you one bit mate.

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People with no previous heart issues are presenting with all manner of conditions (high blood pressure, arrhythmia, myocarditis/pericarditis) after being jabbed with the Pfizer and Moderna cocktails.

I do work for a hospital in metro Melbourne (RFID for pathology samples) and the amount of "code blue, crash cart" calls on the PA are astonishing. I thought nothing of it until I asked the IT liasion I was working with if that was normal. He just shook his head and said "our ED is swamped and has been for over a year." As anecdotal as that is, what isn't is the amount of documentation being handed over to lawyers (via FoIA requests and affidavit) about these injuries. Oh and Pfizer and Moderna have no immunity here, only in the US.

Sadly, that isn't the elephant in the room...

I think you missed the point I was making.

Vaccine injury, I'm.not arguing it. I dont need to.

What I am pointing out is this vaccine has to deal with a virus that injures in the exact same way. If it didn't have these sorts of signatures, the immune system can't be taught or primed effectively.

The point for a class action should thrn be, if I didn't take the vaccine I wouldn't have been hurt.

Ok I think we would all accept that.

But what happens to your body when you get covid.

We can't roll back time and get to pick and alternative route here.

The argument is likely going to be that those who have suffered a vaccine injury would have suffered and identical or worse outcome from.the virus.


Its a lose lose.

And how do you prove it.

If the chances of contractibe the virus were not as high as they are, yes there would be a case but I think its reasonable to assume everyone will get covid eventually.

Where this gets interesting is if the argument turns to being forced and choice removed.

That I never agreed with, that I think is a class action waiting but it won't be against big pharma.

They are immune.

If the legal case is, yes I am I juried and yes I could have been injured either way, but I reserve the choice to decide which avenue hurts me, I think that's an interesting position.

Mandates came about because of a belief in the greater good that was not just flawed by outright impossible.

If you can get inside rhe health advice on policy, there is the class action.

I'm pretty sure the companies have immunity everywhere.

It was part of the supply contract to all countries. If our government never agreed to it, the vaccines never came here.

Just to be clear, I am.not arguing against vaccine Injury. In fact it's likely to be worse and higher than what we realise thanks to a reluctance to document the cases early on.

The problem I have is the alternative is potentially just as bad for I jury and thats the virus.

If they can prove there is something in the vaccines that's damaging that didn't need to be there to combat the virus, that's different.

I'm told that's near on impossible. The vaccine has to present itself close enough to the virus to fool.the body into reacting. Then it has to t3ach the body what the virus looks like so the next time the body sees it, it can react again.

Another potential cause for itigation maybe around the idea that antibody levels were the only way to combat the virus.

This gets complicated because specialists don't agree.

Using the vic gov as an example. Their approach seems to be driven by the idea that people needed to be saturated in antibody counts. Not only is this dangerous its ignorant. They essentially have decided comprised immune systems take priority over healthy ones and they won't try to determine what's what.

The best example in a national level but instigated by Vic is Novak.

The natural assumption should have been that elite athletes don't need a vaccination. Scientifically it was then as it still is now I.possible to determine increased risk of transmission.

This was political not medical.based and I'm pretty sure this ends up being documented.

Thats grounds for a class action but it's against policy makers not pharma. And good luck pinning Amdrews to any wall..

Never have I ever seen anything like him and the acceptance he has from.the left.

In my line of work we often run simulations to determine which of our choices delivers the best outcomes.

In this case it was impossible to predict how any one person would.react to a) covid and b) the vaccine.

This was critical. Spending time to understand who needed help and who didn't woudl have saved more lives and resulted in less damage.

I was told this understanding was not possible because the immune system of people can't be tested and can't be predicted outside a generalisation. As in we all roughly work the same way.

Clearly not close enough.

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It was a striking statistic. According to a Victorian chief health officer update in January, almost 47 per cent of Victorians who had recently died from COVID-19 were unvaccinated, despite this group comprising a tiny proportion of the state’s population.

But information obtained by this masthead via freedom of information has revealed this data, covering three months in 2022 and 2023, was incorrect by a large margin. The number of unvaccinated deaths being reported was, at a minimum, inflated by close to double the true rate.

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