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    Falcon upgrade at least a year away

    Falcon upgrade at least a year away
    Third-quarter 2014 release confirmed for Ford Australia’s facelifted Falcon and Territory


    Ford’s Falcon will soldier on unchanged for up to 18 months before the vital new 2014 model is released in the third quarter of next year – around the same time a facelifted Territory will hit showrooms.

    The later than expected timing means the facelifted Falcon line-up will follow the June release of its fiercest rival, Holden’s upgraded VF Commodore range, by more than a year.

    By the time the revised Falcon sedan and ute family hits dealers, it will also have been almost two years since Ford showed a murky teaser video of the 2014 Falcon at the Sydney motor show last October.

    However, Ford denies any delay in the Falcon program, which will culminate in the production of the last all-Australian Falcon.

    “It's not delayed,” said Ford Australia Communications and Public Affairs Director Sinead Phipps at this week’s launch of the new Kuga medium SUV.

    “That always been our timing. We've just never said when before, other than 2014.”

    The future of both Ford’s locally built Falcon and Territory remains under a cloud beyond the facelifted 2014 models, with Ford yet to commit to manufacturing in Australia beyond 2016, when both revised models will be just two years old.

    While Commodore sales are down more than 40 per cent so far this year, the Falcon’s showroom popularity has slumped 27 per cent in a mainstream large-car segment that is down 30 per cent in 2013.

    That’s on top of the 25 per cent sales plunge both models experienced last year, in a large-car segment that shrank by more than 20 per cent in 2011 and 2012.

    Excluding 5733 Falcon Utes, Ford Australia last year sold fewer Falcons (14,034) than Territorys (14,646) – despite the introduction of new six-cylinder LPG and all-new four-cylinder turbo-petrol engines.

    Speaking at the Kuga launch, Ford Australia chief Bob Graziano said that despite sharing the same underpinnings, turbo-diesel-powered Territory and four-cylinder EcoBoost Falcon models will remain mutually exclusive.

    Graziano said customer demand has indicated there’s no place for a diesel-powered large sedan within the Blue Oval’s local line-up.

    “What [Falcon] buyers are looking for is what the EcoBoost and EcoLPI represents,” he said. “The diesel, really, is fit for purpose in the Territory, so we think we’ve matched those correctly.

    “We’re finding that now that we’ve added the diesel, that’s really what people are gravitating to. I think we’ve got the right matching of powertrains... for both Falcon and Territory.”

    Conversely, Graziano said that a four-cylinder Territory would also miss the mark, despite other SUV models in Ford’s own line-up offering lower-output four-cylinder entry models in a bid to get bums in seats.

    It’s a philosophy that hasn’t worked with the Falcon. Currently, EcoBoost and EcoLPI models account for less than 20 per cent of all Falcon sales, but Graziano said both models still need time to resonate with consumers.

    “I think we were pretty clear that we thought it was going to take a while for people to overcome their perception of a four-cylinder’s ability to work in a large car,” he said.

    “[The situation] is not too dissimilar to the challenge that we had with EcoBoost [engines] in the F-series in the United States. Now, over 40 per cent of the F-series’ sales are EcoBoost powertrains.”

    “They went from nothing to 40 per cent, which I think is a significant percentage, but it took years to get there, for that same perception.

“I don’t know if Falcon will get to 40 or 50 per cent, but what we need to do is to keep getting people into that vehicle, and have them understand how good that EcoBoost powertrain is in the Falcon.

“So we’re not seeing huge uptakes in EcoBoost but as you get more awareness and word of mouth out there, then I think you’ll start getting a bit more momentum behind it.”

Graziano was elusive about technical details of the $103 million upgrade for the FG Falcon, saying: “There’s a bit of technology added and that’s what customers told us they want.”

    But it seems minor engine and transmission tweaks, the fitment of low rolling resistance tyres and improved underbody aerodynamic panelling are more likely to bring incremental fuel consumption reductions than the addition of features like idle-stop or VF Commodore-style weight reductions.

    “More of it [environmentally-focussed aspects] is focussed around engine technology, tyres and aero as opposed to specifically around light weight,” Graziano offered.



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    What

    That is a long time to wait. I'd hate to see what is going to happen to sales of the FG over that time. Are they deliberately pushing this out to gauge whether they can shitcan the update?

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    I don't think they pushed it out. There was talk around June '12 from memory that it would be 3rd quarter 2014.
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    How this car looks and what it has in it will strongly influence my decision to buy something this year or wait for the FU.

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    This is what we were warning others about with the assumption about the end of the Falcon.
    Without knowing when in 2014 it was a jump to question of commitment after 2016 while ever Ford were using the terms "at least"

    Our suspicion was that perhaps the investment and model was being positioned to go through into to 2017 making many of the comments about asking for Government assistance faulty.
    3rd quarter 2014 is basically a MY 15. A two year run? Possible but..............

    Things like V8 SC, well you won't do what Holden did and have the FU on track right from the start. It will be 2015 before we see the race car if Ford decided to even stay in the sport.
    It's a big piece of the puzzle.

    Is it aimed at giving people some confidence about supporting the model we have now?
    There is no question the knowledge about VF is hurting VE.

    Someone asked Ford on their facebook page what was happening this year now there is no major motorshow. Someone at Ford replied that they were still looking at what they were going to do. I think clearly there was some sort of further tease about Falcon planned and how they proceed with that is now undecided.

    We knew this year was going to be bad but if numbers don't pick up with the savings that are on offer we have a significant issue. Its telling Ford and GM that the product can't be shifted at any money and that is something that shifts the dynamic and will have disastrous consequences to the segment while we have decisions pending.
    We might be looking at 16 months here. I feel sick.
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    I thought late 2014 was always the due date...and it fits in with the prevous product cycles...and late 2014 sorta blows the 2016 = R.I.P crap that is talked about...

    A front and rear body upgrade, plus new interior indicates that this is more then just a model the hang around for a year or two...could 5-7 years be the aim? That stretches out till 2019-21...

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    There would have to be a MK3 upgrade you would think, but then again, that would also be an un-needed waste of money.
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    I refuse to accept that Ford won't move Falcons with the right offers and pricing. For example, the Friends of Ford offer should be a permanent fixture. Let's face it: the amount of people who 1) are financially able to buy a car at any given time and 2) can meet the FoF criteria are only going to amount to a few dozen sales per month. Ford is hardly cutting it's wrists there. Plus it builds some goodwill, brand loyalty and gives people a warm and fuzzy feeling that they are getting "special" treatment from Ford.

    That said, there has got to be a cutoff figure if the numbers drop too far and Dearborn steps in and says "enough is enough".

    Don't forget, there will probably be a MkII update to the FU as well, so there's another 12-18 months on top of that.

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    Excluding 5733 Falcon Utes, Ford Australia last year sold fewer Falcons (14,034) than Territorys (14,646) – despite the introduction of new six-cylinder LPG and all-new four-cylinder turbo-petrol engines.


    Why would you exclude utes. Why don't we exclude cars with full size spare wheels and get the number down further.

    It's the entire platform, you add them together for 34413 local Falcon derivative sales.
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    Yes Dave. There has to be a magic number in this. First there will be more resizing and we know what that means but ultimately there has to be a line in the sand.

    My decision just got easier. Don't know what I was thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HSE2 View Post
    Yes Dave. There has to be a magic number in this. First there will be more resizing and we know what that means but ultimately there has to be a line in the sand.

    My decision just got easier. Don't know what I was thinking.
    Although Graziano has commented in another media piece today (GoAuto?) that there are no immediate plans for any more redundancies. The other thing compounding the whole shooting match is: we don't really know at what numbers Ford considers Broady to be a sustainable manufacturing operation. It could well be that they could be happy (well, not "happy" but you know what I mean) selling 500 Falcons per month because that is all this small segment will now absorb, as long as costs are covered, it could be a case of - who cares? But I'd be a lot more comfortable if there were an extra 10,000 units per annum rolling out that plastic shuttered side door at the assembly plant.

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