FGX XR6T Sprint Dyno review.

[Sprinter]

Your very wrong Norm re TSeries battles, hide because no chromey can light a candle next to one on track or road - the above shows how much worse it has all become, mini groups over plastic comestic differences, hundreths to 100 etc....
TSeries owners had to stand their ground back then because of just as above, gained thick skin because of the un warrented crap especially that the last great one didn't get those 2 over cooked letters, seems Sprint is going to live in the same BS because it didn't partly have 3 letters now lol.....and then the chrome mob think a relic is the best - pigs can fly as well.
I'm loling watching it all - how childish enthusiasts really are and forums to a degree is the platform/play ground for it all

Sometimes your fellow "car enthusiast" can be your biggest snob.

For a laugh, look up the specs for the Ferrari Testarossa, if you are of a certain age this was an absolute weapon with unobtainable performance when it was released.

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I'm loling watching it all - how childish enthusiasts really are and forums to a degree is the platform/play ground for it all

Yep, but i grew up...



I still like reading it all tho' LOL

[FTe217]

For the love of god it's "You're" Maurie!!! Not Your.

Dontt youyou you worri bout mi gramma an spelin Mz Daisy

[2242100]

Originally Posted by Sprinter

And I am sure in time Ford will sell some sort of Mondeo with a 400kw twin turbo six and 4wd which would eat any Falcon. Can't say I'm losing any sleep over it. I would be disappointed if the next performance Ford sedan is not an improvement over the Sprints.
In time people will laugh at my Sprint only putting out 370KW, when their self-driving electric bubble has 500kw. And I won't care!


You're right Sprinter, it amazes me how the performance of cars has improved over the last few years and the pace doesn't seem to be slowing, particularly with high end German cars.

[2242100]

not just you 2242100 (what kind of a sig name is that for curiosity sake ?).......

Actually the name relates to a 0-60 km/h time my car achieved, ie. 2.24 seconds to 60 km/h. I guess it says something about me, I just love delving into times, horsepower calculations etc, as you would all be aware of by now.

Strange to many I know, but as they say:-

"whatever floats your boat"

LOL.

[HSE2]

not trying to be argumentative but somewhere along the way, Ford started quoting figures more in line with rwkw figures rather than flywheel though. do you know when exactly this happened and is it only for the miami?

It appeared that way but in reality it's not. There are two cars that stand a chance, the biggest being GTF.

For the quoted number to equate to a rwkw number, the overboost number has to equal exactly drivetrain loss.

If you take sprint 8 for example it's TOB number is 55kws. That's going to take most of the loss but not all. That's why you can predict with confidence that the actual rwkw number won't exceed the claim. Naturally there will be times when dynos throw up higher numbers. These numbers are in error. They are impossible. If you were to remove the engine and test it as it was engineered you would be back on the claims.

Not argumentative at all. Good question.

The 335 numbers, they were wrong. That's what got people excited. Dynos back in 2011 were being run in ways they don't appear to be now.

[HSE2]

Hi HSE2

If you believe you've got enough data, how many cars were fully on TOB and if you've seen all the sheets was there enough info on the Dyno sheets for you to be confident that they either were, or were not, fully on TOB?.

Every single one.

As a comparisons between cars, if the same procedure is used, slip is assumed to be the same. Same dyno, same operator, same day same procedure.

And then checked by my mates at Ford.

Hope that helps.

[prydey]

It appeared that way but in reality it's not. There are two cars that stand a chance, the biggest being GTF.

For the quoted number to equate to a rwkw number, the overboost number has to equalt exactly drivetrain loss.

If you take sprint 8 for example it's TOB number is 55kws. That's going to take most of the loss but not all. That's why you can predict with confidence that the actual rwkw number won't exceed the claim. Naturally there will,be times when dynos throw up higher numbers. These numbers are in error. They are impossible. If you were to remove the engine and test it as it was engineered you would be back on the claims.

Not argumentative at all. Good question.

The 335 numbers, they were wrong. That's what got people excited. Dynos back in 2011 were being run in ways they don't appear to be now.

i guess Ford are playing a more 'honest' game. most manufacturers will quote a figure that is the maximum output. (GTS 430kw might be a bad example) Instead Ford are quoting a figure that the engine will never produce less than. A worst case scenario if you will. This has led to some confusion in the market place i would suggest.

Add in TOB. I'm guessing this has always featured on forced induction fords, only Ford decided to go public with it with GT-F and sprint as some special feature. i guess now when you look back in hindsight, it paints a clearer picture why Turbo's were achieving dyno figures only 30-40kw off the advertised flywheel output. in reality, 270, 310 etc were also 'worst case scenario' figures.

[Sprinter]

i guess Ford are playing a more 'honest' game. most manufacturers will quote a figure that is the maximum output. (GTS 430kw might be a bad example) Instead Ford are quoting a figure that the engine will never produce less than. A worst case scenario if you will. This has led to some confusion in the market place i would suggest.

Add in TOB. I'm guessing this has always featured on forced induction fords, only Ford decided to go public with it with GT-F and sprint as some special feature. i guess now when you look back in hindsight, it paints a clearer picture why Turbo's were achieving dyno figures only 30-40kw off the advertised flywheel output. in reality, 270, 310 etc were also 'worst case scenario' figures.

I think the real reason Ford did what they did is because they bought shares in internet provider companies; they wanted to increase the number of posts on internet forums, seems to have worked.......................

On a serious note; thankyou to all those people who have tested the Sprints in both accel times and on the dyno, interesting reading indeed. It all seems to circle back to what Ford said in the first place!

What stands out for me is the mid range torque; overtaking is no problems at all! Coupled with the sticky tyres, brakes that I don't think I'll ever be able to make fade (and remember it is a road car), the Sprints are an awesome country road machine.

[2242100]

What stands out for me is the mid range torque; overtaking is no problems at all! Coupled with the sticky tyres, brakes that I don't think I'll ever be able to make fade (and remember it is a road car), the Sprints are an awesome country road machine.

The Sprints 2.4 second 80 - 120 km/h result certainly supports that, I'm thinking that the last part of 2nd gear (100 to around 120) would be particularly strong.