What if the XR8 came out with an NA 5.8L version of Coyote?!
Use a similar setup to the 5.0L F150 (270kW/515Nm) and the outputs could jump nicely to 310kW/590Nm. Just pare back the torque figure to about 550Nm.
What if the XR8 came out with an NA 5.8L version of Coyote?!
Use a similar setup to the 5.0L F150 (270kW/515Nm) and the outputs could jump nicely to 310kW/590Nm. Just pare back the torque figure to about 550Nm.
we have been telling ford and fpv what we would like and want in a car for years but it seems to fall on deaf ears ,
i think the gs is in the right place , for the sedan at least if you want more you can buy a gt , but a lot of people have been looking for an up spec fpv ute ,
they wouldn't need to do much to it to make it a must have , brakes , different wheels , twin exhaust , and a fpv grill in the standard gs front , then the gs ute wouldn't look out of place , holden did this with the gxp maloo , same power as the e3 maloo , no hard cover , or side skirts and 245 mm rear tyers instead of 275 mm , and single rear piston caliper instead of the 4 pot brembos on the rear, the front still had 4 pot brembos on the front , all for a $10.000 price reduction , i think fpv should have a upspec ute and yes i am willing to pay more for it . or is there going to be a ppp shop opening in the future ?????
Phil, a 5.8 doesn't exist.Originally Posted by phillyc
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Gary.. i really dont think that's a very fair way to assess things...
FPV do listen to their customers but you need to consider a few things;
Not everyone is asking for the same thing, what you think is important may not show up in broader consumer research.
Not everything we ask for is financially viable.
Not everything we ask for will live within the parameters of technical durability or meet Fords design standards.
We live in a compromised world as far as FPV is concerned, but to blindly say FPV dont listen is really a bit unfair and not looking at the possible reasons for current build specs..
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i dont think i am being unfair every thing that i have pointed out is already on a fpv gt or f6 , so it is financially viable and already meets Fords design standards
you might be right and they do listen but it doesn't seem to filter into there products , ford has done a great job with the fg mk 11 all fpv added to the gs are a rear bar , floor mats , an alarm , and premium sound system, i still have to option a 6 stacker wtf . who is the broader consumer ? i have written directly to fpv with my thoughts they said they have a lot of exciting things coming up but they don't think it will filter into the ute , every motor magzine and car forum has been saying the same things that are bugging me , hell it cant be that hard to make a gs ute a bit more special , i also think that when news of the new motor surfaced that would of had a huge negative impact on fg xr8 and pursuit sales , not a great reason to drop an established brand .
Had a giggle this morning, it seems some people think Ford can just drop a Miami into the XR and drop the price to SS levels... sounds so simple right?
Do people realise possibly one of the main reasons the GS exists as a FPV model rather than an XR8 as a Ford model is due to its BUILD COST and to create some kind of premium to offset costs???
What's an easier "sell"? Ford XR8 @ $63K or FPV GS @ $63K.....
Like it or not FPV need to recover their engine development and engine build costs, to ignore this is stupid, it probably adds 6-7K to the COST of making the car, which translates into 9-10K RRP..
You cant just pluck RRP's out of your bum and build a car at a loss.. oh wait, Holden do that don't they....
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those that really want an XR8 are buying GS's.
all the talkers and whingers would still be doing the same even if ford offered a cheaper version. it doesn't cost anything to jump on your keyboard.
I suspect you are spot on.
Lets not forget the more expensive GS is selling in far greater numbers than the FG XR8 did...
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which is why i remain positive that ford australia do actually know what they are doing, and the internet experts are the ones who don't have all the info at hand.
Norm, on that thought just persist with my logic for a minute. ‘If’ the XR8 (now GS) managed to sell in the same volume as the SS/SSV models combined its cost are mostly likely to be amortised over the volume achieved. This would enable it to be priced more competitively.
The multi-million dollar question remains is this realistic in this market and will the gamble pay off? As it stands the GS is priced in the $60k plus region due to its limited forecasted sales volumes. I agree that the FPV badge does increases the value over the XR8 which would mean the Ford/FPV can possibly achieve the required margins necessary based on a much lower volume of sales. By the end of its model run the FG XR8 was selling in such low numbers that converting it into a niche market offering made total sense, enter the FPV GS.
Now here’s my point. For the XR8 to reappear as a viable business case it need (IMO) to be made as a volume seller, especially if Ford elect to put yet another engine in it other than FPVs. Alternative, without necessarily relying on high volume sales Ford could effectively 'reuse’ the current, but later to be outgoing FPV GS after its start-up development cost has been reduced and/or amortised through the past sales of the current model.
My apologies in advance mate if my logic isn’t that clear. It’s all hypothetical of course but makes for an interesting discussion.
Last edited by WASP; 27th February 2012 at 12:57 PM.
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